RE: Fwd: Nirvikalpa Samadhi and Yoga Nidra etc

[Guest guest]

advaitin , " Harsha " wrote:

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advaitin [advaitin ] On

Behalf

Of Tony OClery

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:55 PM

advaitin

Re: Fwd:

Nirvikalpa

Samadhi and Yoga Nidra etc

 

 

 

Namaste H,

 

This is where I differ in opinion. Sat-Cit-Ananda are to

me 'qualities' as Ramana would say and does say. Qualities and

attributes are the same, so we are talking of something experiential

whether it seems to be universal or not. i.e. Saguna Brahman.

 

 

 

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These are all debates for scholars Tony. Saguna and Nirguna are the

same

thing. The so called " Impersonal Brahman " turns out to be one's very

own

being. One can't get anymore personal than that!

Sat-Chit-Ananda-Nityam-Poornum. One without a second, whose nature

is that

of Existence, Consciousness, Ananda. That which is Whole, Complete,

and

Eternal, that is our nature, not something to be observed by the

mind as a

separate thing, but That which shines through the mind, that which is

Self-Existent in the absence of mind and the presence of mind. That

which

Knows It Self, not as one knowing another but as One whose very

nature is

that of Self-Knowing. That is our nature. Self is devoid and empty

of all

things, thoughts, concepts, perceptions, experiences, possibilities.

This is

indicated by the Ajatavada doctrine. Yet, the nature of the Self is

that of

utter and complete fullness. That is indicated by the terms

Sat-Chit-Ananda-Nityam-Poornum. Because the mind cannot fully grasp

it,

different perspectives are given in the scriptures. These

perspectives have

meaning only in relationship to each other. Because Self truly has

no frame

of reference, being One without a second, all doctrines are

essentially

empty of meaning.

 

 

 

Love to all

 

Harsha

 

 

Namste Harsha,

 

I agree that Saguna and Nirguna are the same thing, for Nirguna is

the truth. There is no Saguna or manifestation of mind or creation.

There is no 'Being', for that is a modification, and there is no

being that is our inner being. All this didn't happen, for where is

it on bodiless moksha or deep sleep? Sat-Cit-Ananda is Saguna, which

doesn't exist for they are descriptive attributes, as with purna.

There is nothing to be full, full of what? There is,( a bad verb),

only the Unbecoming/Unbeing Nirguna Brahman.

 

I know to many this is unpalatable,to some, for many wish to hang on

to attributes such as Love, God, Sat-Cit-Ananda etc. But in the end

we have to let them go, along with such ideas as eternity etc.

 

There is nobody helping us, there is nobody doing

anything....ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

wrote:

 

advaitin , " Harsha " wrote:

_____

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On

Behalf

Of Tony OClery

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:55 PM

advaitin

Re: Fwd:

Nirvikalpa

Samadhi and Yoga Nidra etc

 

 

 

Namaste H,

 

This is where I differ in opinion. Sat-Cit-Ananda are to

me 'qualities' as Ramana would say and does say. Qualities and

attributes are the same, so we are talking of something experiential

whether it seems to be universal or not. i.e. Saguna Brahman.

 

 

 

******************************************************************

 

These are all debates for scholars Tony. Saguna and Nirguna are the

same

thing. The so called " Impersonal Brahman " turns out to be one's very

own

being. One can't get anymore personal than that!

Sat-Chit-Ananda-Nityam-Poornum. One without a second, whose nature

is that

of Existence, Consciousness, Ananda. That which is Whole, Complete,

and

Eternal, that is our nature, not something to be observed by the

mind as a

separate thing, but That which shines through the mind, that which is

Self-Existent in the absence of mind and the presence of mind. That

which

Knows It Self, not as one knowing another but as One whose very

nature is

that of Self-Knowing. That is our nature. Self is devoid and empty

of all

things, thoughts, concepts, perceptions, experiences, possibilities.

This is

indicated by the Ajatavada doctrine. Yet, the nature of the Self is

that of

utter and complete fullness. That is indicated by the terms

Sat-Chit-Ananda-Nityam-Poornum. Because the mind cannot fully grasp

it,

different perspectives are given in the scriptures. These

perspectives have

meaning only in relationship to each other. Because Self truly has

no frame

of reference, being One without a second, all doctrines are

essentially

empty of meaning.

 

 

 

Love to all

 

Harsha

 

 

Namste Harsha,

 

I agree that Saguna and Nirguna are the same thing, for Nirguna is

the truth. There is no Saguna or manifestation of mind or creation.

There is no 'Being', for that is a modification, and there is no

being that is our inner being. All this didn't happen, for where is

it on bodiless moksha or deep sleep? Sat-Cit-Ananda is Saguna, which

doesn't exist for they are descriptive attributes, as with purna.

There is nothing to be full, full of what? There is,( a bad verb),

only the Unbecoming/Unbeing Nirguna Brahman.

 

I know to many this is unpalatable,to some, for many wish to hang on

to attributes such as Love, God, Sat-Cit-Ananda etc. But in the end

we have to let them go, along with such ideas as eternity etc.

 

There is nobody helping us, there is nobody doing

anything....ONS...Tony.

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