Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 A recent read online of Nathans " Clarity " has had a profound effect on me.I will never see life the same way as I used to any more after reading this and being this. The story goes on but without the sense of I have to do this or I had better do that. Stuff just happens the way its supposed to including the pleasure and the pain. Also the bliss that comes with this clarity is so peaceful. Its funny but now I understand just being as spoken by the masters and it is awsome. A big thanks to Nathan and Tony Parsons who have pointed out so clearly in english just what is and that this is it. Peace my friends,Douglas................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , " chefboy2160 " <chefboy2160> wrote: > > A recent read online of Nathans " Clarity " has had a profound effect on > me.I will never see life the same way as I used to any more after > reading this and being this. The story goes on but without the sense > of I have to do this or I had better do that. Stuff just happens the > way its supposed to including the pleasure and the pain. Also the > bliss that comes with this clarity is so peaceful. Its funny but now I > understand just being as spoken by the masters and it is awsome. > A big thanks to Nathan and Tony Parsons who have pointed out so > clearly in english just what is and that this is it. > Peace my friends,Douglas................... I'm sorry Douglas. If you think you have it.......................You don't. Go sit down. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Hi toombaru , thanks and well Im glad I do not have " it " . There realy is nothing to have and no one to have it.This is it right now,nothing else but this. The clouds did not burst open and a loud voice from heaven did not give approval but there has been a shift in perception and understanding. You are that always . Who knows how doors are opened or kept closed but this is closer to you than your own breath.The only thing stopping people from realizing there true nature is there inability to perceive the obvious.When the search stops your true nature can be seen.I am as you toombaru.peace,Douglas --- toombaru2004 <cptc wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " chefboy2160 " > <chefboy2160> wrote: > > > > A recent read online of Nathans " Clarity " has had > a profound effect on > > me.I will never see life the same way as I used to > any more after > > reading this and being this. The story goes on but > without the sense > > of I have to do this or I had better do that. > Stuff just happens the > > way its supposed to including the pleasure and the > pain. Also the > > bliss that comes with this clarity is so peaceful. > Its funny but now I > > understand just being as spoken by the masters and > it is awsome. > > A big thanks to Nathan and Tony Parsons who have > pointed out so > > clearly in english just what is and that this is > it. > > Peace my friends,Douglas................... I'm sorry Douglas. > > > > If you think you have it.......................You > don't. > > > > Go sit down. > > > toombaru > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , douglas cobb <chefboy2160> wrote: > Hi toombaru , thanks and well Im glad I do not have > " it " . There realy is nothing to have and no one to > have it.This is it right now,nothing else but this. > The clouds did not burst open and a loud voice from > heaven did not give approval but there has been a > shift in perception and understanding. > You are that always . Who knows how doors are opened > or kept closed but this is closer to you than your own > breath.The only thing stopping people from realizing > there true nature is there inability to perceive the > obvious. Well that's the catch. " People " do not have a true nature that can be realized. >When the search stops your true nature can be > seen. By whom? tombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 toombaru2004 wrote: > > Well that's the catch. > > " People " do not have a true nature that can be realized. > > This is so true. Only dogs have buddha nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > toombaru2004 wrote: > > > > > Well that's the catch. > > > > " People " do not have a true nature that can be realized. > > > > > This is so true. Only dogs have buddha nature. Only Buddha has Buddha nature. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , douglas cobb <chefboy2160> > wrote: > > Hi toombaru , thanks and well Im glad I do not have > > " it " . There realy is nothing to have and no one to > > have it.This is it right now,nothing else but this. > > The clouds did not burst open and a loud voice from > > heaven did not give approval but there has been a > > shift in perception and understanding. > > You are that always . Who knows how doors are opened > > or kept closed but this is closer to you than your own > > breath.The only thing stopping people from realizing > > there true nature is there inability to perceive the > > obvious. > > > > > Well that's the catch. > > " People " do not have a true nature that can be realized. > > > f: " There is no such thing as enlightenment; the appreciation of this fact is itself enlightenment " ~Nisargadatta Maharaj The awarer, the knower, the perceiver of the illusion, is part of the illusion. > > > > > > > > >When the search stops your true nature can be > > seen. By whom? > > > > > tombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 toombaru2004 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > toombaru2004 wrote: > > > > > > > > Well that's the catch. > > > > > > " People " do not have a true nature that can be realized. > > > > > > > > This is so true. Only dogs have buddha nature. > > > Only Buddha has Buddha nature. > > > toombaru > Where does he keep it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 carolina112900 wrote: > f: > > The awarer, the knower, the perceiver > of the illusion, is part of the illusion. > What is illusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 - Harsha Nisargadatta Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:14 PM Re: Re: Natahan Gills " Clarity " toombaru2004 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > toombaru2004 wrote: > > > > > > > > Well that's the catch. > > > > > > " People " do not have a true nature that can be realized. > > > > > > > > This is so true. Only dogs have buddha nature. > > > Only Buddha has Buddha nature. > > > toombaru > Where does he keep it? One does not 'keep' Buddha nature.... ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 - Harsha Nisargadatta Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:18 PM Re: Re: Natahan Gills " Clarity " carolina112900 wrote: > f: > > The awarer, the knower, the perceiver > of the illusion, is part of the illusion. > What is illusion? ** Separation If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > carolina112900 wrote: > > > f: > > > > The awarer, the knower, the perceiver > > of the illusion, is part of the illusion. > > > What is illusion? Illusion is the sense of separation. But there is not two. of anything. Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. Formed matter is condensed emptiness, and emptiness is not better than matter, or vice versa. Neurotransmitters come together in a chemical reaction and the sense or experience of the I AM arises. The illusion is that of being a person with past, present, future, a plan, a mission, a life, a past life, other lives to incarnate into, a spirituality that includes an afterlife, Awareness, Pure Being, etc. The I AM wants to go on forever. The brain and nervous system focus on only a small piece of the emptiness - matter - which is but an abstraction of emptiness. This happens because the purpose of the nervous system is survival of the organism, and also to organize chaos. The nervous system does that automatically which is why thoughts occur after the fact. But...the awarer, the knower, the perceiver of the illusion of the sense of separation, is itself part of the illusion of the sense of separation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Anna Ruiz wrote: > > > > - > Harsha > Nisargadatta > Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:18 PM > Re: Re: Natahan Gills " Clarity " > > > carolina112900 wrote: > > > f: > > > > The awarer, the knower, the perceiver > > of the illusion, is part of the illusion. > > > What is illusion? > > ** > Separation > In order for there to be separation, there must be two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Anna Ruiz wrote: > > > > Only Buddha has Buddha nature. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Where does he keep it? > > > One does not 'keep' Buddha nature.... > Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 carolina112900 wrote: > > > But...the awarer, the knower, the perceiver > of the illusion of the sense of separation, > is itself part of the illusion of the sense > of separation > So is your statement part of the illusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > carolina112900 wrote: > > > > > > > But...the awarer, the knower, the perceiver > > of the illusion of the sense of separation, > > is itself part of the illusion of the sense > > of separation > > > So is your statement part of the illusion? Sure. Words depend on other words depend on other words depend on other words.... Language and the concepts and constructs it forms is a system onto itself, and is part of the abstraction of emptiness. It has no meaning at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 carolina112900 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > carolina112900 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > But...the awarer, the knower, the perceiver > > > of the illusion of the sense of separation, > > > is itself part of the illusion of the sense > > > of separation > > > > > So is your statement part of the illusion? > > > Sure. > OK. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > carolina112900 wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > > carolina112900 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But...the awarer, the knower, the perceiver > > > > of the illusion of the sense of separation, > > > > is itself part of the illusion of the sense > > > > of separation > > > > > > > So is your statement part of the illusion? > > > > > > Sure. > > > OK. Thanks. The concept " illusional " implies that there is a state or condition that is non-illusional. Since all " things " are illusional...in that they could have no automomous existential reality......this hypothetical .... " non-illusional " state could not exist. Perhaps this is what Wei Wu Wei intends to say in his statement that there is nothing outside of the dream. (and nothing in it) toombaru toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " chefboy2160 " <chefboy2160> wrote: > > A recent read online of Nathans " Clarity " has had a profound effect on > me.I will never see life the same way as I used to any more after > reading this and being this. The story goes on but without the sense > of I have to do this or I had better do that. Stuff just happens the > way its supposed to including the pleasure and the pain. Also the > bliss that comes with this clarity is so peaceful. Its funny but now I > understand just being as spoken by the masters and it is awsome. > A big thanks to Nathan and Tony Parsons who have pointed out so > clearly in english just what is and that this is it. > Peace my friends,Douglas................... there is no bliss in clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , douglas cobb <chefboy2160> > wrote: > > Hi toombaru , thanks and well Im glad I do not have > > " it " . There realy is nothing to have and no one to > > have it.This is it right now,nothing else but this. > > The clouds did not burst open and a loud voice from > > heaven did not give approval but there has been a > > shift in perception and understanding. > > You are that always . Who knows how doors are opened > > or kept closed but this is closer to you than your own > > breath.The only thing stopping people from realizing > > there true nature is there inability to perceive the > > obvious. > Well that's the catch. > > " People " do not have a true nature that can be realized. That's another catch! > >When the search stops your true nature can be > > seen. By whom? Exactly! By whom? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > Anna Ruiz wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > Harsha > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:18 PM > > Re: Re: Natahan Gills " Clarity " > > > > > > carolina112900 wrote: > > > > > f: > > > > > > The awarer, the knower, the perceiver > > > of the illusion, is part of the illusion. > > > > > What is illusion? > > > > ** > > Separation > > > In order for there to be separation, there must be two. One is enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 The concept " illusional " implies that there is a state or condition that is non-illusional. Since all " things " are illusional...in that they could have no automomous existential reality......this hypothetical .... " non- illusional " state could not exist. Perhaps this is what Wei Wu Wei intends to say in his statement that there is nothing outside of the dream. (and nothing in it) toombaru KA: Flowerish but yes! By the way, what is Toombaru intending to say? The net enables you to teach without dialectic. You found a niche. Outside the net you would need to fight if you wanted to teach. I am happy to see you offer a link to Wei Wu Wei. That's dialectic, too. Nothing wrong with scaffolds, gantries and frameworks....unless you teach just for the sake of having disciples or readers. cordially, Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > The concept " illusional " implies that there is a state or condition > that is non-illusional. > > Since all " things " are illusional...in that they could have no > automomous existential reality......this hypothetical .... " non- > illusional " state could not exist. > > Perhaps this is what Wei Wu Wei intends to say in his statement that > there is nothing outside of the dream. > (and nothing in it) toombaru > > > KA: Flowerish but yes! By the way, what is Toombaru intending to say? > The net enables you to teach without dialectic. You found a niche. > Outside the net you would need to fight if you wanted to teach. I am > happy to see you offer a link to Wei Wu Wei. That's dialectic, too. > Nothing wrong with scaffolds, gantries and frameworks....unless you > teach just for the sake of having disciples or readers. > > > cordially, > Kip Almazy Just endorsing your shy attempts to use some dialectics...you can if you want! Just climb down from the " one-liner pedestal " ! It could be fun seeing Toombaru swinging the sword in a grueling carnage of concepts. Is getting hot in here with too much Krishnas! for all: http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-13-18.html http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/sutta/khuddaka/dhp/01.html KA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 - Harsha Nisargadatta Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:59 PM Re: Re: Natahan Gills " Clarity " Anna Ruiz wrote: > > > > - > Harsha > Nisargadatta > Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:18 PM > Re: Re: Natahan Gills " Clarity " > > > carolina112900 wrote: > > > f: > > > > The awarer, the knower, the perceiver > > of the illusion, is part of the illusion. > > > What is illusion? > > ** > Separation > In order for there to be separation, there must be two. yes......and......no ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > toombaru2004 wrote: > > > > > Well that's the catch. > > > > " People " do not have a true nature that can be realized. > > > > > This is so true. Only dogs have buddha nature.>> Mu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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