Existence, nonexistence, and reading between the lines / Fuzzy/Lewis

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Lewis Burgess

Nisargadatta

Saturday, April 23, 2005 5:34 PM

Re: Existence, nonexistence, and reading between the

lines / Fuzzy

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz>

> wrote:

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> >

> > Greetings, Dan:

> >

> > To say there is no one saying anything implicitly contradicts

> >itself. That's what I was trying to point out. To say there is no

> >one who knows also contains an implied contradiction. It's absurd.

> >It's a position reminiscent of the old Zen metaphor of a man

. >immersed inwater dying of thirst.

> >

> > Yours,

> >

> > fuzzie

>

> Hi Fuzzie,

>

> Yes, what to say?

>

> If water is inside, and water is outside,

> and there is no skin in between,

> how could you say " wet " ?

>

> -- Dan

 

 

Dear Fuzzie,

 

It seems that you have not encountered the concept of " no one " and " no

doer " and similar conceptualizations of non-identity. These metaphors

that are commonly professed by some on this list refers to " egoless "

or " selfless " existence or being. The " ego " and " self " are body/mind

reifications and are dissolvable since they are merely composed of

knots and tangles of this and that, the very " things " that

self-inquiry, neti, neti, dependent origination and other practices

untie and release.

 

When the ego/self is dissolved (and there is great and perhaps useless

debate on this) there supposedly remains a Self or Atman or the One or

I AM or Being all commonly described as " awareness with no second. "

However, this identification is also dissolvable, though for many it

seems like the last stop of realization. For others, it is an

impediment to realization. That is, to refer to these, to speak of

them or to use the label as fact is simply another reification, a

false identification that a partially realized person clings to

preserve ontological security, to " stay alive " and to avoid the

sometimes fear full complete shattering of false delusional being or

" death. " This may or may not be so and is case by case.

 

An interior examination of the sense " I AM " or " Self " shows that both

are utterly indescribable and all the capacities and incapacities

present in the human appearance are such that they emerge from

" complete unknowableness " or " utter darkness " or " blinding light " or

" undisturbed silence " or some other metaphor. Nothing can be known of

this. What appears in " the conscious mind " is superficial and

secondary to that which is unknowable and from whence those

superificalities originate, arise, operate, and dissipate and repeat.

 

This being so, there is no identifiable " person " or " self, " or Self,

only emergent capacities and incapacities that arise and fall, engage,

disengage or remain quiescent according to demand. The use of pronouns

and names are not problematic if they are empty of identifications and

used conventionally to communicate and act. In essence, in this sense,

there are no persons, no doers as is commonly perceived and thought

about, just capacities and incapacities expressing and interacting

with the same in " unknowableness, " from " mystery. "

 

The sense of awareness is nothing significant and is a superficial

capacity compared to the unknowable capacities that give origin to

awareness. In one sense, when awareness is functioning properly,

" awareness " as an isolated capacity (which it is not) allows the

realization of complete ignorance, which is the source of wisdom and

learning. Those who " know " or who are " aware " are neither wise nor do

they learn since their cup is full of awareness of things, including

awareness itself. Put a hole in the cup and all flows in and through.

Based on this experience or something similar, there is encouragement

to drop, dissolve and otherwise go beyond the " I AM, " beyond awareness

and other limitations, etc., if it is believed in or serves as an

identification, a reification, a concept. If that is so, it is seen as

an impediment. If it is not so, then this writing is of no consequence.

 

In the end, regardless, we, the human appearances, do as we are.

 

Love,

 

Lewis

 

 

 

Beyond the I Am is

I Am This,

existing only in the Now, an ever-present alpha and omega--empty/full

replenishing-flowing out.

One can not know in This for one is the Knowing and yet the human does

its doing...

 

Love

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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