I was lost, but now I'm found, It's just.........AMAZING Dan!!!!

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7>

wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033>

> > wrote:

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> > Dan: >Q: Why is Niz turning over in his grave?

> > >

> > >A: He read the posts on a list dedicated to his teaching.

> >

> >

> >

> > sam: Your perception is that Nis is unhappily turning over in

his

> > grave as he reads these posts? Nope, sorry to disappoint you

Dan.

> > This is your own constructed idea based on your own views of

right

> and

> > wrong.

> > I was dancing with him just last week and he wasn't upset with

> it at

> > all. Quite to the contrary he sees it as a modern computerized

> way of

> > understanding. He was always quite into the idea of

understanding

> and

> > still is.

> >

> > sam -- for and on behalf of the I that is Nis >:^)

>

 

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming> wrote:

 

>

> Niz was burnt to Ashes ...

>

> ...and, then, ashes thrown into the river ...

>

> the river went to the ocean ...

>

>

> No Niz in graves !

>

> No Niz turning 'in graves'.

>

>

> Niz is dispersed.

 

 

 

>dan:> Good point.

 

>It's all dispersed before it began.

 

The ocean evaporates.

 

-- Dan

 

>dan:> I said I heard him groan, not that he was unhappy or upset.

>

> He's not.

 

 

 

sam: Haaaaahahahaha! at the risk of venturing into your mind (a

rather confusing place where in the darkness I'm stumbling over

your tongue) an earnest attempt to sort out your words is

forthcoming.

 

1) He's in a grave and now he decomposed? It's all dispersed before

it began? That must be some kind of enlightened jargon I missed

somewhere along the way. So, what is it? Is he in the grave, or

evaporated? I'm unclear on your decision to decide here. But you

heard him groan so how can he be dispersed if you heard him groan?

Or were you just making that up as a cover for your own non-upset

and non-unhappy views? Do you even know? So you heard him groan

but he's not happy or upset? So is he groaning out of bliss or just

because his back is sore and he wants to roll over otherwise why

would you paint him as rolling over in his grave if not out of

(_____) for reading the posts on this list dedicated to his

teaching. Do you mean he's rolling over laughing his butt off as in

ROFL? So, now how do you propose that he can read the posts when

you now vehemently claim he's dispersed, evaporated (whatever that

means to you). Do you even know?

 

 

>dan:> Niz wasn't into ideas.

>

> And now that the Niz body is decomposed, he's

> even less into ideas.

 

Sam: 2) So if he wasn't into ideas then how do you suppose he has

the idea to groan and roll over in his grave after reading the

messages? He would have technically had to form that idea from

somewhere. LOL. You suppose that he's even less into ideas now

that his body is decomposed? Wait, you just said he wasn't into

ideas. How do you suppose he can be less into something he wasn't

into?

He was always about " understanding " . He describes that in the

book, I am That. He says that people must learn through

understanding (paraphrasing). How do you suppose you do that?

Understanding is simply an idea. An idea about " something " .

Something from which to (you guessed it) Understanad.

 

Are you saying then that after the body dies and disappears in

it's physical form that the Nis fragment disappears as well? How

would you know this?

You have revealed yourself very well now, so really no more

explanations on your part is necessary. I understand you clearly

now.

 

**** when one is in the present moment of time one begins to realize

that all is happening and alternatively not happening in this

present moment. As long as " I " am here, so is Niz, because you see

he and I are one. If I am here, so is he. Your words belie your

dualistic endevour and your misunderstanding of the present

moment. He cannot be anywhere but here and now, albeit in various

forms and phases, pick one and it will show up. (not-withstanding

that it is non-reality goes without saying).

 

In the real/non-reality there is unlimited potentiality and it is

all happening now. You appear to be focusing on the Non existence

part of it which would insist that Niz doesn't exist and thereby

limiting your present moment. Many people think and construct

ideas like you, which is why most people can't see Niz. In their

minds version of reality he doesn't exist so you will not see him or

be able to " dance " with him. In this moment he exists very much

so, but unless you suspend your limitations and continue to

*perceive* to be living outside of the now – it produces your view

on the topic. If the posts make you want to groan and roll over in

your metaphorical grave then just say so, why hide and cover behind

Niz and speak for someone whom you don't even believe exists in this

present moment? (you would have to be living in the present moment

to get that one.)

 

 

 

>

>Dan> > But have fun with your dancing. Far be it from me

> to interfere.

>

> ;-)

>

 

 

sam: Yes, far, far, far be it from you.

(warm smile)