Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Let's say that you are love. What would you do then? As a tiny seed of love surrounded by all kinds of chaos, what would you do? You may say " I want this " , and the universe says: " No, you don't " , and then you say " But I want that, can't I at least have that? " , and the universe replies, " No, you can't " . Why? Because you _are_ love. Anything you want will be not love. As love you don't ask the universe for things, you _select_ from the universe moment by moment. You can't select what you want, because that is not awailable; you can only select directly from the many things the universe has to offer moment by moment. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Let's say that you are love. What would you do then? As a tiny seed of > love surrounded by all kinds of chaos, what would you do? You may say then , you get out of the way of love. this chaos is the result of the superimposition of innumerable free wills and more. it is the way it is because of causes. it is easy to complain about the chaos but hard to change the seed. sartre said " hell is other people " . > " I want this " , and the universe says: " No, you don't " , and then you > say " But I want that, can't I at least have that? " , and the universe either the event you wished for happens or it does not happen. if it happens you know " the event i wished for has materialized " . otherwise you know " the event i wished for did not materialize " . this is past. either way you move on and stay in the present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Let's say that you are love. What would you do then? As a tiny seed of > > love surrounded by all kinds of chaos, what would you do? You may say > > then , you get out of the way of love. > > this chaos is the result of the superimposition of innumerable free > wills and more. it is the way it is because of causes. it is easy to > complain about the chaos but hard to change the seed. > > sartre said " hell is other people " . > > > " I want this " , and the universe says: " No, you don't " , and then you > > say " But I want that, can't I at least have that? " , and the universe > > either the event you wished for happens or it does not happen. if it > happens you know " the event i wished for has materialized " . otherwise > you know " the event i wished for did not materialize " . > > this is past. > > either way you move on and stay in the present. It is not your inability to manipulate events that is your problem. The difficulty arises from the the assumption of an autonomous self who manipulates,....... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > The difficulty arises from the the assumption of an autonomous self who manipulates,....... > can you see thru my eyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > The difficulty arises from the the assumption of an autonomous self > who manipulates,....... > > > > can you see thru my eyes? Your eyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > The difficulty arises from the the assumption of an autonomous self > > who manipulates,....... > > > > > > > can you see thru my eyes? > > > Your eyes? yes. _these_ eyes i am using to read this message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The difficulty arises from the the assumption of an autonomous self > > > who manipulates,....... > > > > > > > > > > can you see thru my eyes? > > > > > > Your eyes? > > yes. _these_ eyes i am using to read this message. Ok.....and would that be your brain that translstes and compares those little squiggles with its own references......and that body that housed that brain you call yours......Is that yours? What about the desk this body is sitting at.......yours....right? and that house around all that stuff.......is that yours?......and the town where that little house sits........Is that yours too? and the country too? All yours? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The difficulty arises from the the assumption of an autonomous self > > > > who manipulates,....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you see thru my eyes? > > > > > > > > > Your eyes? > > > > yes. _these_ eyes i am using to read this message. > > > > Ok.....and would that be your brain that translstes and compares those little squiggles with its own references......and that body that housed that brain you call yours......Is that yours? > > What about the desk this body is sitting at.......yours....right? > > and that house around all that stuff.......is that yours?......and the town where that little house sits........Is that yours too? > > > and the country too? > > All yours? > not so fast. just stay at the connection between the life force and the body. this connection was given, and is not a legal construct. can you use these organs connected to the life force that i am ? can you access the memories that are my mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The difficulty arises from the the assumption of an > autonomous self > > > > > who manipulates,....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you see thru my eyes? > > > > > > > > > > > > Your eyes? > > > > > > yes. _these_ eyes i am using to read this message. > > > > > > > > Ok.....and would that be your brain that translstes and compares > those little squiggles with its own references......and that body that > housed that brain you call yours......Is that yours? > > > > What about the desk this body is sitting at.......yours....right? > > > > and that house around all that stuff.......is that yours?......and > the town where that little house sits........Is that yours too? > > > > > > and the country too? > > > > All yours? > > > not so fast. > > just stay at the connection between the life force and the body. this > connection was given, and is not a legal construct. > > can you use these organs connected to the life force that i am ? > > can you access the memories that are my mind? There you go with that my stuff again. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > There you go with that my stuff again. > ahem, i thought " I " was " you " so how come we disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 - hemantbhai100 Nisargadatta Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:04 PM Re: If you are love Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > There you go with that my stuff again. > ahem, i thought " I " was " you " so how come we disagree? if i/I may...in the thinking of two there is always a possibility of disagreement. (toombaru, don't even start....) ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > There you go with that my stuff again. > > > ahem, i thought " I " was " you " so how come we disagree? Within each " self " are endless disagreements. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There you go with that my stuff again. > > > > > ahem, i thought " I " was " you " so how come we disagree? > > > > > > Within each " self " are endless disagreements. > > > > toombaru But also endless agreements. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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