Existence, nonexistence, / Fuzzy / Lewis / Ramana - others !

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Or,

 

***************************************

 

D: " I understand that the Self is beyond

the ego. My knowledge is theoretical

and not practical. How shall I gain

practical realisation of the Self? "

 

M: Realisation is nothing to be got

afresh. It is already there. All that

is necessary is to be rid of the

thought: " I have not realised. "

 

 

D.: Then one need not attempt it.

 

M: No. Stillness Of Mind Or Peace Is

REALISATION. THERE IS NO MOMENT WHEN

THE SELF IS NOT.

 

So 'long as there is doubt or the

feeling of non-realisation, attempt

must be made to rid oneself of these

thoughts.

 

The thoughts are due to identification

of the Self with the nonself. When the

non-self disappears the Self alone

remains.

 

To make room anywhere it is

ENOUGH that things are removed from

there.

 

Room Is NOT Brought In Afresh. Nay,

More - Room Is There Even In Cramping.

 

ABSENCE OF THOUGHTS DOES NOT MEAN A

BLANK. THERE MUST BE ONE TO KNOW THE

BLANK.

 

KNOWLEDGE AND IGNORANCE ARE OF THE

MIND.

 

They are born of duality. But The

Self Is Beyond Knowledge And Ignorance.

It is light itself. There is NO

necessity to see the Self with another

'Self.

 

There are no two selves. What is not

Self is non-self.

 

THE NON-SELF CANNOT SEE THE SELF.

 

The Self has no sight or hearing. It

lies beyond these - all alone, as pure

consciousness.

 

~ A woman, with her necklace round her

neck, imagines that it has been lost

and. goes about searching for it, until

she is reminded of it by a friend; she

has created her own sense of loss, her

own anxiety of search and then her own

pleasure of recovery. Similarly the

Self is all along there, whether you

search for it or not. Again just as the

woman feels as if the lost necklace has

been regained, so also the removal of

ignorance and the cessation of false

identification reveal the Self which is

always present - here and now. This is

called realisation. It is not new. It

amounts to elimination of ignorance and

nothing more.

 

BLANKNESS IS THE EVIL RESULT OF

SEARCHING THE MIND.

 

The mind must be cut off, root and

branch. See who the thinker is, who the

seeker is.

 

Abide As The Thinker, The Seeker. All

Thoughts Will Disappear.

 

 

 

D.: Then there will be the ego - the

thinker.

 

M: That ego is pure Ego purged of

thoughts. It is the same as the Self.

So ,long as false identification

persists doubts will 'persist,

questions will arise, there will be, no

end of them. Doubts will cease only

when the non-self is put an end to.

That will result in realisation of the

Self. There will remain no other there

to doubt or ask.

 

All These Doubts Should Be Solved

Within Oneself. No Amount Of Words Will

Satisfy.

 

Hold The Thinker. Only When The

Thinker Is Not Held Do Objects Appear

Outside Or Doubts Arise In The Mind.

 

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[ NNB ]

 

 

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming> wrote:

>

> Maybe, it is simply explained as:

>

> **************************************

> " WHO " SEES THE BLANK? YOU MUST BE THERE.

>

> **************************************

>

>

> or,

>

>

> " Who " KNOWS the Non-existence. " Who "

> is aware of emptiness, nothing, void,

> .... " Unknowingness " ?

>

> " Who " is aware of ... " Not Knowing " ?

>

> Who knows that it ... " doesn't Know " ?

>

>

> Or, might be elaborated as:

>

> **************************************

> D.: In my meditation a blank

> interposes; I see no figure.

> M: Of course not.

>

> D.: What about the blank?

> M: WHO SEES THE BLANK? YOU MUST BE

> THERE. There is consciousness

> witnessing the blank.

>

> D.: Does it mean that I must go deeper

> and deeper?

> U: Yes. THERE IS NO MOMENT WHEN YOU

> ARE NOT.

>

> **************************************

>

>

> [ N N B ]

>

>

>

 

[.....]

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming> wrote:

>

> Or,

>

> ***************************************

>

> D: " I understand that the Self is beyond

> the ego. My knowledge is theoretical

> and not practical. How shall I gain

> practical realisation of the Self? "

>

> M: Realisation is nothing to be got

> afresh. It is already there. All that

> is necessary is to be rid of the

> thought: " I have not realised. "

>

>

> D.: Then one need not attempt it.

>

> M: No. Stillness Of Mind Or Peace Is

> REALISATION. THERE IS NO MOMENT WHEN

> THE SELF IS NOT.

>

> So 'long as there is doubt or the

> feeling of non-realisation, attempt

> must be made to rid oneself of these

> thoughts.

>

> The thoughts are due to identification

> of the Self with the nonself. When the

> non-self disappears the Self alone

> remains.

>

> To make room anywhere it is

> ENOUGH that things are removed from

> there.

>

> Room Is NOT Brought In Afresh. Nay,

> More - Room Is There Even In Cramping.

>

> ABSENCE OF THOUGHTS DOES NOT MEAN A

> BLANK. THERE MUST BE ONE TO KNOW THE

> BLANK.

>

> KNOWLEDGE AND IGNORANCE ARE OF THE

> MIND.

>

> They are born of duality. But The

> Self Is Beyond Knowledge And Ignorance.

> It is light itself. There is NO

> necessity to see the Self with another

> 'Self.

>

> There are no two selves. What is not

> Self is non-self.

>

> THE NON-SELF CANNOT SEE THE SELF.

>

> The Self has no sight or hearing. It

> lies beyond these - all alone, as pure

> consciousness.

>

> ~ A woman, with her necklace round her

> neck, imagines that it has been lost

> and. goes about searching for it, until

> she is reminded of it by a friend; she

> has created her own sense of loss, her

> own anxiety of search and then her own

> pleasure of recovery. Similarly the

> Self is all along there, whether you

> search for it or not. Again just as the

> woman feels as if the lost necklace has

> been regained, so also the removal of

> ignorance and the cessation of false

> identification reveal the Self which is

> always present - here and now. This is

> called realisation. It is not new. It

> amounts to elimination of ignorance and

> nothing more.

>

> BLANKNESS IS THE EVIL RESULT OF

> SEARCHING THE MIND.

>

> The mind must be cut off, root and

> branch. See who the thinker is, who the

> seeker is.

>

> Abide As The Thinker, The Seeker. All

> Thoughts Will Disappear.

>

>

>

> D.: Then there will be the ego - the

> thinker.

>

> M: That ego is pure Ego purged of

> thoughts. It is the same as the Self.

> So ,long as false identification

> persists doubts will 'persist,

> questions will arise, there will be, no

> end of them. Doubts will cease only

> when the non-self is put an end to.

> That will result in realisation of the

> Self. There will remain no other there

> to doubt or ask.

>

> All These Doubts Should Be Solved

> Within Oneself. No Amount Of Words Will

> Satisfy.

>

> Hold The Thinker. Only When The

> Thinker Is Not Held Do Objects Appear

> Outside Or Doubts Arise In The Mind.

>

> *********************************

>

> [ NNB ]

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming> wrote:

> >

> > Maybe, it is simply explained as:

> >

> > **************************************

> > " WHO " SEES THE BLANK? YOU MUST BE THERE.

> >

> > **************************************

> >

> >

> > or,

> >

> >

> > " Who " KNOWS the Non-existence. " Who "

> > is aware of emptiness, nothing, void,

> > .... " Unknowingness " ?

> >

> > " Who " is aware of ... " Not Knowing " ?

> >

> > Who knows that it ... " doesn't Know " ?

> >

> >

> > Or, might be elaborated as:

> >

> > **************************************

> > D.: In my meditation a blank

> > interposes; I see no figure.

> > M: Of course not.

> >

> > D.: What about the blank?

> > M: WHO SEES THE BLANK? YOU MUST BE

> > THERE. There is consciousness

> > witnessing the blank.

> >

> > D.: Does it mean that I must go deeper

> > and deeper?

> > U: Yes. THERE IS NO MOMENT WHEN YOU

> > ARE NOT.

> >

> > **************************************

 

 

 

Hello, adithya:

 

I don't know if your post is addressed to me or not. But, I've never

experienced a " blank " , as mentioned above. There is often a stillness,

but, this stillness is quite " full " .

 

I've read that dialogue, though, between Sri Ramana and a devotee.

" Talks with Ramana Maharshi " is an excellent book on this subject,

yes, indeed.

 

Yours,

 

fuzzie

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hello, adithya:

>

> I don't know if your post is addressed to me or not. But, I've never

> experienced a " blank " , as mentioned above. There is often a stillness,

> but, this stillness is quite " full " .

>

> I've read that dialogue, though, between Sri Ramana and a devotee.

> " Talks with Ramana Maharshi " is an excellent book on this subject,

> yes, indeed.

>

> Yours,

>

> fuzzie

 

 

 

 

 

 

" You " are nothing other then a clot of thoughts.

 

How could a thought experience its own absence?

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hello, adithya:

> >

> > I don't know if your post is addressed to me or not. But, I've never

> > experienced a " blank " , as mentioned above. There is often a stillness,

> > but, this stillness is quite " full " .

> >

> > I've read that dialogue, though, between Sri Ramana and a devotee.

> > " Talks with Ramana Maharshi " is an excellent book on this subject,

> > yes, indeed.

> >

> > Yours,

> >

> > fuzzie

" You " are nothing other then a clot of thoughts.

>

> How could a thought experience its own absence?

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

Thoughts are bio-electrical reactions firing in the synapses of the

brain. There's no point in analyzing thought with thought. Thought is

irrelevant, anyway.

 

What, me worry?

 

 

mad fuzzie