When Judi Bounced Anna

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

>

> Anders,

>

> If you wouldn't constantly fish for compliments, I would believe that

> you are insane too

>

> Werner

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Identification.......is insanity.

 

All " men " are insane.

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment "

<misterenlightenment> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > And I have a slight contraction

> > > there, in the center of me,

> > > a reminding.

> > >

> > > --those whom I had not

> > > welcomed

> > > in the presence

> > > of my sanctuary...

> > >

> > > for I have not always been kind...

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > To take credit for one's unkindness makes as much sense and having

> pride in one's place of birth.

> >

> >

> > toombaru>>

>

> Do not give credit where credit is not due. (Who could have ever

> imagined that I'd become a Toomeyite?)

>

> Yes, Martha, it IS a Wonderful Life.

>

> Mr. E

 

 

 

Do not assume that you are able to grant or withhold credit.

 

And try not to assume that it is you assuming that.

 

.......and try to see who is trying all this stuff.....

 

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

>

> Toomb,

>

> What happens when you hold your hand above a burning candle and you

> factor out volition ?

 

 

 

We are not talking of hands and candles.

 

 

We are discussing ideas about a supposed volitional entity.

 

 

 

 

>

> The seeing of danger has its own action, didn't you know this ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes....an involuntary re-action.

 

 

>

> Same with seeing the danger of seeking love, attention, to be

> comforted etc.

 

 

Identification needs constant reinforcement.....

 

You assume that this supposed entity ....in its fitfull dream .....can somehow

voluntarily cut

off it own feeding tubes.

 

 

You assume that it is pulling its own strings.......

 

Well...that's Ok to believe that.....That's where you are...right now.......but

it's not true.

 

 

 

 

 

>

> And, I honestly ask you, when living your daily life

 

 

 

" Life " is being lived......through " me " .

 

 

 

 

 

do you

> constantly ask with every step you do " What happens when I factor out

> volition " ? Do you bother in your daily life about volition ?

 

 

" I " walk a thin line.......between bliss.......and sheer terror.

 

 

 

>

> But suddenly you bother about " my thesis " what happens when factoring

> out volition. Why that ?

 

 

 

 

Oh......I'm afraid that I am just using you to tune my own piano.

 

When I hear a chord that rings flat........I go on in there and tighten a few

strings....Don't

take anything that comes through me as criticism......I'm as lost at the rest of

you....LOL

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Toombi Angel,

 

Haven't you realized that I just seemingly spoke abou hands and

candles but in reality I wanted to show you in a decent way what an

idiot you are ?

 

Gosh, and even that you didn't grasp.

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

> >

> > Toomb,

> >

> > What happens when you hold your hand above a burning candle and

you

> > factor out volition ?

>

>

>

> We are not talking of hands and candles.

>

>

> We are discussing ideas about a supposed volitional entity.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > The seeing of danger has its own action, didn't you know this ?

>

>

Yes....an involuntary re-action.

>

>

> >

> > Same with seeing the danger of seeking love, attention, to be

> > comforted etc.

>

>

> Identification needs constant reinforcement.....

>

> You assume that this supposed entity ....in its fitfull

dream .....can somehow voluntarily cut

> off it own feeding tubes.

>

>

> You assume that it is pulling its own strings.......

>

> Well...that's Ok to believe that.....That's where you are...right

now.......but it's not true.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > And, I honestly ask you, when living your daily life

>

>

>

> " Life " is being lived......through " me " .

>

>

>

>

>

> do you

> > constantly ask with every step you do " What happens when I factor

out

> > volition " ? Do you bother in your daily life about volition ?

>

>

> " I " walk a thin line.......between bliss.......and sheer terror.

>

>

>

> >

> > But suddenly you bother about " my thesis " what happens when

factoring

> > out volition. Why that ?

>

>

>

>

> Oh......I'm afraid that I am just using you to tune my own piano.

>

> When I hear a chord that rings flat........I go on in there and

tighten a few strings....Don't

> take anything that comes through me as criticism......I'm as lost

at the rest of you....LOL

>

>

> toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

>

> Toombi Angel,

>

> Haven't you realized that I just seemingly spoke abou hands and

> candles but in reality I wanted to show you in a decent way what an

> idiot you are ?

>

> Gosh, and even that you didn't grasp.

>

> Werner

>

 

 

 

Oh.............you were thinking that this toombaru fellow is outside of you.

 

 

Well that a common delusion......Perhaps your words will cure him.....perhaps

not.

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

-

Judi Rhodes

Nisargadatta

Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:31 AM

Re: Re: When Judi Bounced Anna

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

> And I have a slight contraction

> there, in the center of me,

> a reminding.

>

> --those whom I had not

> welcomed

> in the presence

> of my sanctuary...

>

> for I have not always been kind...

>

>

 

 

 

To take credit for one's unkindness makes as much sense and having pride in

one's place of birth.

 

 

toombaru

 

 

***********

Yes, it's a power trip.

 

Willing to take blame so she can get the credit.

 

She takes us all for stupid.

 

Judi

 

 

Are all we gals done with page one, cause I'd like to get on to page 2.

 

I mean, how many girl scots you got to ru together before you figure this out?

 

 

Anna

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

 

>To stay wothout any escape with the pain of being isolated is the

>ending of childhood.

 

The only possible cause for such pain is desire. To stay with desire

w/o any escape is simply stupidness.

[Guest guest]

Wow,

 

Mr. Missing-The-Point is back.

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

>

> >To stay wothout any escape with the pain of being isolated is the

> >ending of childhood.

>

> The only possible cause for such pain is desire. To stay with desire

> w/o any escape is simply stupidness.

[Guest guest]

Mr.Werner Woehr wrote

>

> " The cause of isolation is the need and longing for " love " which

is ok

> for a child but not for an adult. Adults seeking love are ugly. "

 

Oh,I'm just a poor,little boy constantly seeking LOVE!

I seek Love – because i HAVE love

I only seek what I already have

Nah,they say that not even Eternity could

Hold Houdini – and likewise the

Chains of Enlightenment could never hold

absolute ambitious attraction!

the Self is helplessly in love with the Self

Hey,You Guys are flying much too high for me

too early Canonization might lead to Zanonization

Let me take you down…………………

Vibes,

Flemming (who's somewhat attached to the only

two books worth reading, " I Am That " and " The Gospel of Sri

Ramakrishna " )

 

PS – Well,ehh – No Offense Meant!

[Guest guest]

Hey Little Boy,

 

What are your speaking of ? I haven't got it.

 

The only I understood was that you are a little boy and you are full

of shit or love or something like that and that you fell in love with

Houdini.

 

Is it possible for you to calm down and write one or two orderly

sentences ?

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 "

<Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote:

>

> Mr.Werner Woehr wrote

> >

> > " The cause of isolation is the need and longing for " love " which

> is ok

> > for a child but not for an adult. Adults seeking love are ugly. "

>

> Oh,I'm just a poor,little boy constantly seeking LOVE!

> I seek Love – because i HAVE love

> I only seek what I already have

> Nah,they say that not even Eternity could

> Hold Houdini – and likewise the

> Chains of Enlightenment could never hold

> absolute ambitious attraction!

> the Self is helplessly in love with the Self

> Hey,You Guys are flying much too high for me

> too early Canonization might lead to Zanonization

> Let me take you down…………………

> Vibes,

> Flemming (who's somewhat attached to the only

> two books worth reading, " I Am That " and " The Gospel of Sri

> Ramakrishna " )

>

> PS – Well,ehh – No Offense Meant!

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

>Mr. Missing-The-Point is back.

 

I would like to inform you that I have put you into my spam filter. In

the usenet this is called " plonk " . Maybe still you should think about

if your behaviour here is the way you consider to be appropriate for

" adults " .

 

Regards

Stefan

[Guest guest]

-

Stefan

Nisargadatta

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:56 AM

Re: When Judi Bounced Anna

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

>Mr. Missing-The-Point is back.

 

I would like to inform you that I have put you into my spam filter. In

the usenet this is called " plonk " . Maybe still you should think about

if your behaviour here is the way you consider to be appropriate for

" adults " .

 

Regards

Stefan

 

 

 

a gentle reminder, Stefan my love,

when there is nothing left to protect,

there is nothing left to defend....

 

All is music, even the apparent discordant notes....

 

love,

 

anna

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

 

>a gentle reminder, Stefan my love,

>when there is nothing left to protect,

>there is nothing left to defend....

>

>All is music, even the apparent discordant notes....

>

>love,

>

>anna

 

Thank you very, very much, Anna. At the moment I look at it like this:

people like W., attacking me in spite of the offerings I am giving

them, are my enemies. Of course they are the enemies inside of me,

inside of this ever adolescent realm called " Stefan " . Precious enemies

that show me where there is still something that wants and longs for

and maybe needs protection.

 

And then there is raging compassion. So I have to use my sword, as I

am a warrior, too.

 

Love

Stefan

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-

Stefan

Nisargadatta

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:06 AM

Re: When Judi Bounced Anna

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

 

>a gentle reminder, Stefan my love,

>when there is nothing left to protect,

>there is nothing left to defend....

>

>All is music, even the apparent discordant notes....

>

>love,

>

>anna

 

Thank you very, very much, Anna. At the moment I look at it like this:

people like W., attacking me in spite of the offerings I am giving

them, are my enemies. Of course they are the enemies inside of me,

inside of this ever adolescent realm called " Stefan " . Precious enemies

that show me where there is still something that wants and longs for

and maybe needs protection.

 

And then there is raging compassion. So I have to use my sword, as I

am a warrior, too.

 

Love

Stefan

 

 

some words in the context of speaking with Anders:

 

over my right shoulder, just past this moment, is the Before,

what it was i remember as a nightmare in the lingering of love

destructing itself in memories....

a cold grey prison

 

of you and me, of saints and sinners...

 

and I lay down my double-edged sword,

a blinding goldness I had polished feverishly, fervently

dispassionately,

this obligatory creation

this infinity of chaos

this Lord and Master

--myself

at Your feet oh Jedi Knight

 

Come over to This side

with me and we'll climb newer mountains and swim newer oceans

and walk newer paths

 

in wonderment and curiosity--our

new human bodies sprinkled with ashes of angels..

 

and words of sages..

 

anna

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

> -

> Stefan

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:06 AM

> Re: When Judi Bounced Anna

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

> >a gentle reminder, Stefan my love,

> >when there is nothing left to protect,

> >there is nothing left to defend....

> >

> >All is music, even the apparent discordant notes....

> >

> >love,

> >

> >anna

>

> Thank you very, very much, Anna. At the moment I look at it like this:

> people like W., attacking me in spite of the offerings I am giving

> them, are my enemies. Of course they are the enemies inside of me,

> inside of this ever adolescent realm called " Stefan " . Precious enemies

> that show me where there is still something that wants and longs for

> and maybe needs protection.

>

> And then there is raging compassion. So I have to use my sword, as I

> am a warrior, too.

>

> Love

> Stefan

>

>

> some words in the context of speaking with Anders:

>

> over my right shoulder, just past this moment, is the Before,

> what it was i remember as a nightmare in the lingering of love

> destructing itself in memories....

> a cold grey prison

>

> of you and me, of saints and sinners...

>

> and I lay down my double-edged sword,

> a blinding goldness I had polished feverishly, fervently

> dispassionately,

> this obligatory creation

> this infinity of chaos

> this Lord and Master

> --myself

> at Your feet oh Jedi Knight

>

> Come over to This side

> with me and we'll climb newer mountains and swim newer oceans

> and walk newer paths

>

> in wonderment and curiosity--our

> new human bodies sprinkled with ashes of angels..

>

> and words of sages..

>

> anna

>

 

 

I feel a deep gratitude for what you wrote to me, Anna. Love is the

Eternal Guide.

 

al.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

> >a gentle reminder, Stefan my love,

> >when there is nothing left to protect,

> >there is nothing left to defend....

> >

> >All is music, even the apparent discordant notes....

> >

> >love,

> >

> >anna

>

> Thank you very, very much, Anna. At the moment I look at it like this:

> people like W., attacking me in spite of the offerings I am giving

> them, are my enemies. Of course they are the enemies inside of me,

> inside of this ever adolescent realm called " Stefan " . Precious enemies

> that show me where there is still something that wants and longs for

> and maybe needs protection.

>

> And then there is raging compassion. So I have to use my sword, as I

> am a warrior, too.

>

> Love

> Stefan

 

 

 

 

Warriors never tell you they are warriors.

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Well,I was just trying to say,that

You can never get OUT of Meditation!

Every Thought is Great Wisdom

All we see is Mandala

Every sound is Mantra

 

So,the feeling of Isolation,You were talking about

- that leads me to childishly want love and demand attention

from others - that feeling is a MYTH! - It has no roots

in REALITY

 

Having realized that,You can do whatever You want

in this world,You can do no wrong,You might even fall in love

with somebody and fool around in so many ways

- But You'll never get fooled again..............

Flemming

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

> Hey Little Boy,

>

> What are your speaking of ? I haven't got it.

>

> The only I understood was that you are a little boy and you are

full

> of shit or love or something like that and that you fell in love

with

> Houdini.

>

> Is it possible for you to calm down and write one or two orderly

> sentences ?

>

> Werner

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 "

> <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Mr.Werner Woehr wrote

> > >

> > > " The cause of isolation is the need and longing for " love "

which

> > is ok

> > > for a child but not for an adult. Adults seeking love are

ugly. "

> >

> > Oh,I'm just a poor,little boy constantly seeking LOVE!

> > I seek Love – because i HAVE love

> > I only seek what I already have

> > Nah,they say that not even Eternity could

> > Hold Houdini – and likewise the

> > Chains of Enlightenment could never hold

> > absolute ambitious attraction!

> > the Self is helplessly in love with the Self

> > Hey,You Guys are flying much too high for me

> > too early Canonization might lead to Zanonization

> > Let me take you down…………………

> > Vibes,

> > Flemming (who's somewhat attached to the only

> > two books worth reading, " I Am That " and " The Gospel of Sri

> > Ramakrishna " )

> >

> > PS – Well,ehh – No Offense Meant!

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote:

>

> Well,I was just trying to say,that

> You can never get OUT of Meditation!

> Every Thought is Great Wisdom

> All we see is Mandala

> Every sound is Mantra

>

> So,the feeling of Isolation,You were talking about

> - that leads me to childishly want love and demand attention

> from others - that feeling is a MYTH! - It has no roots

> in REALITY

>

> Having realized that,You can do whatever You want

> in this world,You can do no wrong,You might even fall in love

> with somebody and fool around in so many ways

> - But You'll never get fooled again..............

> Flemming

 

 

 

 

Swing................................................

 

 

 

 

 

..................and a miss.

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 "

<Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Well,I was just trying to say,that

> > You can never get OUT of Meditation!

> > Every Thought is Great Wisdom

> > All we see is Mandala

> > Every sound is Mantra

> >

> > So,the feeling of Isolation,You were talking about

> > - that leads me to childishly want love and demand attention

> > from others - that feeling is a MYTH! - It has no roots

> > in REALITY

> >

> > Having realized that,You can do whatever You want

> > in this world,You can do no wrong,You might even fall in love

> > with somebody and fool around in so many ways

> > - But You'll never get fooled again..............

> > Flemming

>

>

>

>

> Swing................................................

>

>

>

>

>

> .................and a miss.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

Yes,Miss World that is - She Belongs to me

She's an Artist,She don't look back

[Guest guest]

-

yogidahl2000

Nisargadatta

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:17 PM

Re: When Judi Bounced Anna

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 "

<Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Well,I was just trying to say,that

> > You can never get OUT of Meditation!

> > Every Thought is Great Wisdom

> > All we see is Mandala

> > Every sound is Mantra

> >

> > So,the feeling of Isolation,You were talking about

> > - that leads me to childishly want love and demand attention

> > from others - that feeling is a MYTH! - It has no roots

> > in REALITY

> >

> > Having realized that,You can do whatever You want

> > in this world,You can do no wrong,You might even fall in love

> > with somebody and fool around in so many ways

> > - But You'll never get fooled again..............

> > Flemming

>

>

>

>

> Swing................................................

>

>

>

>

>

> .................and a miss.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

Yes,Miss World that is - She Belongs to me

She's an Artist,She don't look back

 

 

hmm, and where is Miss Universe, you 'deserve' at least that:)) and She

doesn't look forward either...

 

And lately I hear mandala and see Mantra, strange...

 

anna

 

 

 

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> > Swing................................................

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > .................and a miss.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Yes,Miss World that is - She Belongs to me

> She's an Artist,She don't look back

>

>

> hmm, and where is Miss Universe, you 'deserve' at least that:))

and She

> doesn't look forward either...

>

> And lately I hear mandala and see Mantra, strange...

>

> anna

 

Yeah,that Happened to Arthur Rimbaud

I is Another

we could be Andy Warhol,You and I

we're strange posters,still

the FACTS are FRIENDLY

Flemming

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Fleming,

 

Thanks for translating yout former reply into a language an old man

can understand.

 

You are so right, once that feeling of isolation has dissolved your

circles within you can move will increase tremendously.

 

There is one point left which we maybe could go on on discussing: Is

isolation really a myth ? Is fear a myth, or joy, or falling in love ?

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 "

<Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote:

>

> Well,I was just trying to say,that

> You can never get OUT of Meditation!

> Every Thought is Great Wisdom

> All we see is Mandala

> Every sound is Mantra

>

> So,the feeling of Isolation,You were talking about

> - that leads me to childishly want love and demand attention

> from others - that feeling is a MYTH! - It has no roots

> in REALITY

>

> Having realized that,You can do whatever You want

> in this world,You can do no wrong,You might even fall in love

> with somebody and fool around in so many ways

> - But You'll never get fooled again..............

> Flemming

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hey Little Boy,

> >

> > What are your speaking of ? I haven't got it.

> >

> > The only I understood was that you are a little boy and you are

> full

> > of shit or love or something like that and that you fell in love

> with

> > Houdini.

> >

> > Is it possible for you to calm down and write one or two orderly

> > sentences ?

> >

> > Werner

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 "

> > <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr.Werner Woehr wrote

> > > >

> > > > " The cause of isolation is the need and longing for " love "

> which

> > > is ok

> > > > for a child but not for an adult. Adults seeking love are

> ugly. "

> > >

> > > Oh,I'm just a poor,little boy constantly seeking LOVE!

> > > I seek Love – because i HAVE love

> > > I only seek what I already have

> > > Nah,they say that not even Eternity could

> > > Hold Houdini – and likewise the

> > > Chains of Enlightenment could never hold

> > > absolute ambitious attraction!

> > > the Self is helplessly in love with the Self

> > > Hey,You Guys are flying much too high for me

> > > too early Canonization might lead to Zanonization

> > > Let me take you down…………………

> > > Vibes,

> > > Flemming (who's somewhat attached to the only

> > > two books worth reading, " I Am That " and " The Gospel of Sri

> > > Ramakrishna " )

> > >

> > > PS – Well,ehh – No Offense Meant!

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

> Hi Fleming,

>

> Thanks for translating yout former reply into a language an old

man

> can understand.

>

> You are so right, once that feeling of isolation has dissolved

your

> circles within you can move will increase tremendously.

>

> There is one point left which we maybe could go on on discussing:

Is

> isolation really a myth ? Is fear a myth, or joy, or falling in

love ?

>

> Werner

 

Hi Werner!

Yes,we could discuss that,if Isolation is a myth??

My take on it,my innermost feeling about this,would be:

Fear,Joy and falling in love are reactions of the mind,they

are happenings within and for the mind,these are natural

feelings (even if Fear is complicated,J.Krishnamurti would

know)

 

Isolation,on the other hand,is on a different level,isolation

is not a genuine feeling,rather

it's part of a belief system,cultural heritage,and really it's a

criminal sociopath attitude,but it's constantly being

legitimated by the surrounding society

The uncritical belief in Isolation,as a factual existential

order of things- this belief gives power to the rising

FEELING of being isolated,it's nothing but a bad habit

yet when thoroughly ingrained,the reality of this " feeling "

is never being doubted,thus one is perpetuating suffering

Well,that's how I see it – But please feel free to disagree!

Vibes,

Flemming

[Guest guest]

Hi Fleming,

 

There is nothing to disagree, I absolutely go with you.

 

When one sees that society is the result of socialisation which is a

child's efforts to overcome isolation and these efforts are to get

accepted, to get comforted, to get approval etc, then in addition one

sees society mainly is children playing in a sandpit having fun and

taking away each other's toys with all those resulting fights and

violence.

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 "

<Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

> > Hi Fleming,

> >

> > Thanks for translating yout former reply into a language an old

> man

> > can understand.

> >

> > You are so right, once that feeling of isolation has dissolved

> your

> > circles within you can move will increase tremendously.

> >

> > There is one point left which we maybe could go on on discussing:

> Is

> > isolation really a myth ? Is fear a myth, or joy, or falling in

> love ?

> >

> > Werner

>

> Hi Werner!

> Yes,we could discuss that,if Isolation is a myth??

> My take on it,my innermost feeling about this,would be:

> Fear,Joy and falling in love are reactions of the mind,they

> are happenings within and for the mind,these are natural

> feelings (even if Fear is complicated,J.Krishnamurti would

> know)

>

> Isolation,on the other hand,is on a different level,isolation

> is not a genuine feeling,rather

> it's part of a belief system,cultural heritage,and really it's a

> criminal sociopath attitude,but it's constantly being

> legitimated by the surrounding society

> The uncritical belief in Isolation,as a factual existential

> order of things- this belief gives power to the rising

> FEELING of being isolated,it's nothing but a bad habit

> yet when thoroughly ingrained,the reality of this " feeling "

> is never being doubted,thus one is perpetuating suffering

> Well,that's how I see it – But please feel free to disagree!

> Vibes,

> Flemming

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> Hi Fleming,

>

> There is nothing to disagree, I absolutely go with you.

>

> When one sees that society is the result of socialisation which is a

> child's efforts to overcome isolation and these efforts are to get

> accepted, to get comforted, to get approval etc, then in addition one

> sees society mainly is children playing in a sandpit having fun and

> taking away each other's toys with all those resulting fights and

> violence.

>

> Werner

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 "

> <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hi Fleming,

> > >

> > > Thanks for translating yout former reply into a language an old

> > man

> > > can understand.

> > >

> > > You are so right, once that feeling of isolation has dissolved

> > your

> > > circles within you can move will increase tremendously.

> > >

> > > There is one point left which we maybe could go on on discussing:

> > Is

> > > isolation really a myth ? Is fear a myth, or joy, or falling in

> > love ?

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> > Hi Werner!

> > Yes,we could discuss that,if Isolation is a myth??

> > My take on it,my innermost feeling about this,would be:

> > Fear,Joy and falling in love are reactions of the mind,they

> > are happenings within and for the mind,these are natural

> > feelings (even if Fear is complicated,J.Krishnamurti would

> > know)

> >

> > Isolation,on the other hand,is on a different level,isolation

> > is not a genuine feeling,rather

> > it's part of a belief system,cultural heritage,and really it's a

> > criminal sociopath attitude,but it's constantly being

> > legitimated by the surrounding society

> > The uncritical belief in Isolation,as a factual existential

> > order of things- this belief gives power to the rising

> > FEELING of being isolated,it's nothing but a bad habit

> > yet when thoroughly ingrained,the reality of this " feeling "

> > is never being doubted,thus one is perpetuating suffering

> > Well,that's how I see it – But please feel free to disagree!

> > Vibes,

> > Flemming

 

 

 

What if you saw " society " as a vast menemonic vibration emerging impersonally

from within the arisen I amness?

 

 

 

 

Boy........wouldn't THAT be sumthin?

 

 

 

 

toombaru