Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Werner, Come on up here to the front of the class. You wanted to say something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Yes. But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. Werner Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Werner, > > Come on up here to the front of the class. > > > You wanted to say something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Yes. > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > Werner No......You decided nothing. " You " reacted in the only way you could. toombaru > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Werner, > > > > Come on up here to the front of the class. > > > > > > You wanted to say something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 You are right Toomb, And that is the kind of reply I like and not that crap you started our ping pong with. Werner Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Yes. > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > Werner > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > Come on up here to the front of the class. > > > > > > > > > You wanted to say something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Yes. > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > Werner > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > toombaru > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie Director. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PM Re: Werner Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Yes. > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > Werner > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > toombaru > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie Director. al. Hi Al, You are quite correct, absolutely, as long as you think That..... What do you Know? a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PM > Re: Werner > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because > that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number > of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch > with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we > can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie Director. > > al. > > > Hi Al, > > You are quite correct, absolutely, as long as you think That..... What do you Know? > > a. > Our Knowing can expand, which means that our ability to create expands as we learn more and more how to work in harmony with the whole. And thinking is only a part of it. Feeling is equally important. And very important is to integrate one's thinking (the head) with one's feelings (the heart). Both the head and the heart are connected in a very complicated way with the whole universe. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because > that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number > of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch > with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we > can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie Director. > > al. You can choose anything the infinite chain of causation wants you to. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:22 PM Re: Werner Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PM > Re: Werner > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because > that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number > of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch > with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we > can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie Director. > > al. > > > Hi Al, > > You are quite correct, absolutely, as long as you think That..... What do you Know? > > a. > Our Knowing can expand, which means that our ability to create expands as we learn more and more how to work in harmony with the whole. And thinking is only a part of it. Feeling is equally important. And very important is to integrate one's thinking (the head) with one's feelings (the heart). Both the head and the heart are connected in a very complicated way with the whole universe. al. The integration of mind and heart in harmony working as a whole is Realized as Experience. Who judges our experiences? Who makes statements as to harmony/disharmony? Who complicates? a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PM > > Re: Werner > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > > > > > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because > > that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number > > of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch > > with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we > > can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie Director. > > > > al. > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > You are quite correct, absolutely, as long as you think That..... > What do you Know? > > > > a. > > > > > Our Knowing can expand, which means that our ability to create expands > as we learn more and more how to work in harmony with the whole. And > thinking is only a part of it. Feeling is equally important. And very > important is to integrate one's thinking (the head) with one's > feelings (the heart). Both the head and the heart are connected in a > very complicated way with the whole universe. > > al. Baloney. The assumption an autonomous psychological center in which this fantasy could occur delusional toombaru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > > > > > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because > > that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number > > of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch > > with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we > > can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie Director. > > > > al. > > > You can choose anything the infinite chain of causation wants you to. > > > toombaru But the causation in the universe is only semi-causation. In each moment the past is determined, but the present moment is determinded by an integration of the past with the inexhaustible set of infinite possibilities. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > anders_lindman > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PM > > > Re: Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because > > > that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number > > > of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch > > > with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we > > > can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie Director. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > > > You are quite correct, absolutely, as long as you think That..... > > What do you Know? > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > Our Knowing can expand, which means that our ability to create expands > > as we learn more and more how to work in harmony with the whole. And > > thinking is only a part of it. Feeling is equally important. And very > > important is to integrate one's thinking (the head) with one's > > feelings (the heart). Both the head and the heart are connected in a > > very complicated way with the whole universe. > > > > al. > > > Baloney. > > > The assumption an autonomous psychological center in which this fantasy could occur > delusional > > You are nothing but one of the six...or so.......billion egoic grandio-cities...spinning a miniscule web in the corner of what is.......... ....hoping to catch enough flotsam to sustain their ever insatiable need for self-validation. Anything that you think you do......only adds fuel to the dream.... and fans the flames of fear. > toombaru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because > > > that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number > > > of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch > > > with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we > > > can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie Director. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > You can choose anything the infinite chain of causation wants you to. > > > > > > toombaru > > > But the causation in the universe is only semi-causation. In each > moment the past is determined, but the present moment is determinded > by an integration of the past with the inexhaustible set of infinite > possibilities. > > al. The present emerges from the past. The die is cast. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 > Mind/heart/universe can also be seen as Me-We/We-Me/All. > > al. By whom? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > anders_lindman > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PM > > > Re: Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because > > > that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number > > > of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch > > > with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we > > > can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > > > You are quite correct, absolutely, as long as you think That..... > > What do you Know? > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > Our Knowing can expand, which means that our ability to create expands > > as we learn more and more how to work in harmony with the whole. And > > thinking is only a part of it. Feeling is equally important. And very > > important is to integrate one's thinking (the head) with one's > > feelings (the heart). Both the head and the heart are connected in a > > very complicated way with the whole universe. > > > > al. > > > Baloney. > > > The assumption an autonomous psychological center in which this fantasy could occur > delusional > > > toombaru. Only when we operate from the exclusive level of thinking. Instead try to sense the whole body and mind as a whole integrated unit which in turn is integrated into the whole. Then a both/and situation is created regarding whether being autonomous or not. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:04 PM Re: Werner Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:22 PM > Re: Werner > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PM > > Re: Werner > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > > > > > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because > > that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number > > of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch > > with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we > > can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie Director. > > > > al. > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > You are quite correct, absolutely, as long as you think That..... > What do you Know? > > > > a. > > > > > Our Knowing can expand, which means that our ability to create expands > as we learn more and more how to work in harmony with the whole. And > thinking is only a part of it. Feeling is equally important. And very > important is to integrate one's thinking (the head) with one's > feelings (the heart). Both the head and the heart are connected in a > very complicated way with the whole universe. > > al. > > > > The integration of mind and heart in harmony working as a whole is Realized as Experience. Who judges our experiences? Who makes statements as to harmony/disharmony? Who complicates? > > a. Complication appears when mind/heart/universe are not balanced, which is an indication that Knowing is lacking in a particular situation. Full Knowing is a very dynamic thing. The lack of Knowing causes our way of making judgements to lack a sense of flow and harmony. Mind/heart/universe can also be seen as Me-We/We-Me/All. al. mind/heart/universe is ONE organ of experience once the separtate-mind-heart-universe gets out of its own Way---by Being That Which It Seeks. a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > - > > > > anders_lindman > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PM > > > > Re: Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because > > > > that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number > > > > of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch > > > > with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we > > > > can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > > > > > You are quite correct, absolutely, as long as you think That..... > > > What do you Know? > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our Knowing can expand, which means that our ability to create expands > > > as we learn more and more how to work in harmony with the whole. And > > > thinking is only a part of it. Feeling is equally important. And very > > > important is to integrate one's thinking (the head) with one's > > > feelings (the heart). Both the head and the heart are connected in a > > > very complicated way with the whole universe. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > Baloney. > > > > > > The assumption an autonomous psychological center in which this fantasy could occur > > delusional > > > > > > > > > You are nothing but one of the six...or so.......billion egoic grandio-cities...spinning a > miniscule web in the corner of what is.......... > > > > ...hoping to catch enough flotsam to sustain their ever insatiable need for self-validation. > > > Anything that you think you do......only adds fuel to the dream.... and fans the flames of > fear. > > > > > > toombaru. When you say that there is no autonomous self, then it is from past knowledge you are talking. No knowledge is entirely fixed. The 'self' and the 'Self' must be balanced. You are talking from an idea in your mind that says that the self is an illusion. That idea itself is a fixed meme in you which in itself has taken on the role of authority. That categorical idea has itself taking the role of a 'self' in you, while at the same it denies the very idea of a self. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I decided to delete my answer to stop that ping pong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......You decided nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You " reacted in the only way you could. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have free will, but it is unbelievable difficult to use it because > > > > that free will must _always_ work in harmony with an infinite number > > > > of other wills. All doing must be timed and executed exactly in synch > > > > with the universe, creating a unified collaboration of wills that we > > > > can call the Will, or what I sometimes call the One Movie. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > You can choose anything the infinite chain of causation wants you to. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > But the causation in the universe is only semi-causation. In each > > moment the past is determined, but the present moment is determinded > > by an integration of the past with the inexhaustible set of infinite > > possibilities. > > > > al. > > > The present emerges from the past. > > > The die is cast. > > > > > toombaru Merely randomness is not enough. There is an extremely advanced process of selecting constantly going on in the now. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Mind/heart/universe can also be seen as Me-We/We-Me/All. > > > > al. > > > > > By whom? > > > toombaru The Me-We/We-Me/All Trinity creates the One and the Many. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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