Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > What you see as " yourself " , the > > > > 'yourself' that you know, > > > > ...disappear in sleep, > > > > and anytime ...you are Not thinking. > > > > > > > > You know that all conditioning, all > > > > thoughts and all ideas that you have of > > > > a person is ...NOT really you. > > > > > > > > It is something that you can create, > > > > it is something that you do create > > > > using the memories and thoughts. > > > > > > > > Still None of them is ...really you. > > > > ...just an image that create and then > > > > you call it 'X', " Y " , " Z " , ... " the > > > > name " . > > > > > > > > Much like the painting that you create > > > > using colors, canvas and brush and > > > > little bit of imagination. > > > > > > > > Still you are the Creator, > > > > ...Not the Creation, > > > > ...not the painting. > > > > > > > > . > > > > ... > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > Just like, you are able to create an > > > > image of 'X' others are able to create > > > > an image of that 'X' too. > > > > > > > > Image that you create of 'X' ( also > > > > known as 'yourself' ) changes. Many > > > > times, it is subject to thought, > > > > emotions, what you hear from others ... > > > > > > > > Image that others have of 'X' ( also > > > > known as 'yourself' ) changes both from > > > > time to time as well as from person to > > > > person. It depends on " what they know > > > > of this 'X' " , " who they are " , " what > > > > they want from this person 'X' " as well > > > > as ...what thoughts, emotions are > > > > currently running in their mind. > > > > > > > > All 'me' s are concerned with > > > > protection this 'X' (known as 'myself' > > > > ) and many of them already know that it > > > > is NOT really ...them. Others might > > > > easily know it on investigations. > > > > > > > > ...Still they can NOT let it go. > > > > > > > > They can NOT let it slip. > > > > > > > > Because, they are afraid, if they > > > > don't take care of this little 'me' ( > > > > no matter how much made-up it might be > > > > ) No one else will. > > > > > > > > They also see countless other 'me's > > > > ready and willing to tear this little > > > > 'me' apart how can they Give it Up ? > > > > > > > > ...how can I let it die ? > > > > > > > > If NOT me, who else will defend it ? > > > > > The concern about " I " or " me " or the making up of these or the > defending of these or any concern about knowing these remotely or not > or some other concern are of no particular use to the billions or even > the millions. > > This advice has been repeated over the centuries without ceasing. The > origins of these words, the people and places, are filled with > suffering and ignorance and means little to them except to those > fascinated with it and centered in these words somehow twirl > continuously in it as it is. It spreads. > > The world and all its billions of little " I-s " and " me-s " will > continue to flourish and pass on regardless of these words and all > those like it. The few twirlers are a species, a type, like a > squirrel, bird, fish, insect or bacterium and serve their role among > the billions. See them twirl. Do they see the twirling species? Can > the twirlers see they are twirling in a niche while others do what > they do. > > Being afraid is part of living. Each deals with it as it comes. > Suffering is the same. Joy or happiness or bliss, whatever comes and > goes and so... > > Knowing those words, being them, becoming them does not change what > life is or alter what is or what you are. Breathing, sleeping, eating, > drinking, excreting, waking, covering the body, moving about, going > here to there and back and around, doing this and that to survive, > sitting, resting, continues and most of a lifetime is spent doing > these simple things. > > Twirling on is just one part of the flourishing and passing. Some make > money on it. Most just twirl. > > The " I " and " me " never leaves. It is natural. I am not sure, if calling something 'natural' really says anything at all. After all, what " really' is ...NOT part of nature? What is " really " outside nature ? ************ Yes, there are few things that are made by man rather than by the nature directly. But, then man and too is the part and product of the same nature and so are the ingredients and processes that are used to make those things ! ************** But, then, who is to say that nature doesn't learn . ... who is to say that nature doesn't evolve, doesn't change. Who is to say that MISTAKES are NOT part of the Nature ??? " Who " makes mistakes then ? Who or what is outside it ? ....and, who is to even say that nature doesn't correct mistakes ? Who else, does correct them then ? *************** Who is to say that the many species has not been destroyed in nature for one reason or another. Some because, they could not evolve themselves. ************** Reasons for change are numerous, ....including when something becomes too painful, torturous, destructive ....inefficient or dysfunctional. It happens in nature, and, it also happens in people, human ....who are part of the same nature. Few of them like Tolle, Ramana, Jesus, Katie, Buddha see the comparative futility, pain, suffering, dysfunction of certain things and change. On finding what seem to be more fluid, smooth, harmonious some of them also teach others about it. Some even WARN: *************************************** The transformation of human consciousness is no longer a luxury, so to speak, available only to a few isolated individuals, but a necessity if humankind is not to destroy itself. ~ Tolle But there's a shift happening in humanity, a shift in consciousness, happening now because it has to happen now. Because if it doesn't happen now, mankind probably won't survive. The dysfunction of the human mind and its condition is becoming more and more intolerable to the planet, and to humanity. People can't live with themselves much longer. The planet cannot live with humans much longer! The dysfunction has become so magnified through technology. ~ Tolle Resistance to the Now as a collective dysfunction is intrinsically connected to loss of awareness of Being and forms the basis of our dehumanized industrial civilization. Freud, by the way, also recognized the existence of this undercurrent of unease and wrote about it in his book Civilization and Its Discontents, but he did not recognize the true root of the unease and failed to realize that freedom from it is possible. This collective dysfunction has created a very unhappy and extraordinarily violent civilization that has become a threat not only to itself but also to all life on the planet. ~ Tolle *************************************** and some also talk of hope and possibility: ------ if you see it, you see the root of human dysfunction and madness; identification with thinking. But the moment you see it, you are already one foot out of it. The seeing of it is not part of the dysfunction. So in other words, when you see that you are mad, you are no longer mad. That's the arising of something new in humanity. I sometimes call it the unconditioned consciousness. But it is also a field of stillness, where you see the torn roots of the human mind. ~ Tolle >Look at the " I-s " and > " me-s " here. There is one and another and another. Not one is missing. > > Exterminating or loosing or releasing " I " and " me " or whatever doing > that can be called is just on more way for an appearance to pass time. > > Twirling like this must be pleasant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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