Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > > wrote: > > > > Have you been reading Adi Da or something? > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > devi: not lately, but i have read knee of listening and a few > > > > others....anyway....my guru and ramana say there are seven steps > > to > > > > total enlightenment....you didn't asnwer my question? :-) > > > > I couldn't answer because I didn't know if you were talking > > about > > > > Adi Da or L. Ron Hubbard or some Sufi tariqa or what? You're > > gonna > > > > have to give more details. I can't read your mind. > > > > > > > > I'm totally liberated. There are no levels. There's nothing (yet, > > it > > > > is). > > > > > > > > > > Are you liberated? > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > devi: ok: these 7 stages are from ramana maharshi and my gurus is > > > > very similar but i don't have his chart available now..from > > looking > > > > at this chart i could say yes but if you read the two paragraphs > > > > below and think thats liberation then no.... > > > > > > > > > > > > The seven jnana bhoomikas are:- > > > > 1. subheccha (the desire for enlightenment). > > > > 2. vicharana (enquiry). > > > > 3. tanumanasa (tenuous mind). > > > > 4. satwapatti (self-realization). > > > > 5. asamsakti (non-attachment). > > > > 6. padarthabhavana (non-perception of objects). > > > > 7. turyaga (transcendence). > > > > > > > > if being liberated means that i am not aware of my external > > > > surrounding, then no i am not liberated... > > > > > > > > also, i still dream....so then again no.... > > > > > > > > .see below... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In sahaja samadhi the activities, vital and mental, and the three > > > > states are destroyed, never to re-appear. However others notice > > the > > > > jnani active, e.g. eating, talking, moving, etc. He is not > > himself > > > > aware of these activities, whereas others are aware of his > > > > activities. They pertain to his body and not to his Real Self, > > > > swarupa. For himself, he is like the sleeping passenger --or like > > a > > > > child interrupted from sound sleep and fed, being unaware of it. > > The > > > > child says the next day that he did not take milk at all and that > > he > > > > went to sleep without it. Even when reminded he cannot be > > convinced. > > > > So also is sahaja samadhi. " > > > > > > > > 4. What is the state beyond bliss? > > > > It is the state of unceasing peace of mind which is found in the > > > > state of absolute quiescence, jagrat-sushupti (lit. sleep with > > > > awareness) which resembles inactive deep sleep. In this state, in > > > > spite of the activity of the body and the senses, there is no > > > > external awareness, like a child immersed in sleep* (who is not > > > > conscious of the food given to him by his mother). A yogi who is > > in > > > > this state is inactive even while engaged in activity. This is > > also > > > > called sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi (natural state of absorption in > > > > oneself without concepts). > > > > > > > > > Dear Devianandi: > > > > > > If you learn to meditate you can become mindless or whatever, if > > > that's what you want. It can also be done through hypnosis or > > sensory > > > deprivation. LSD and other chemicals can also induce mindlessness > > and > > > altered states. I used to be able to meditate and my body would > > > disappear and I would be like clear, transparent awareness. But, > > that > > > isn't where it's at. Yogis and sadhus and what not can train their > > > bodies to do all kinds of bizarre phenomena. So, what? You can > > analyze > > > all of this stuff and categorize it and divide it up into different > > > " stages " or " levels " , etc., as many " stages " as you like. Why stop > > at > > > seven stages? It can be divided up ad infinitum. All of this is > > > distraction. It does not lead to liberation or moksha or > > realization. > > > The only way to do that is to understand the self. The self is being > > > itself. It is pure awareness, nothing else. It always is and cannot > > be > > > lost or found. Once you realize it, there's no need to do anymore > > > sadhana or " spiritual " exercises or anything. > > > > > > Forget about Ramana and Nisargadatta and yogis and swamis and all > > > that. Find you. Be you. Understand self. Then, the seeking and the > > > desire and the categorizing and the suffering dissolves. Nothing > > > really changes. Life goes on. It's just that there is no longer any > > > dilemma. No problem. No question. No doubt. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > fuzzie>> > > > > HALLELUIA!! > > > Did ye get ye healed? > > fuzzie>> Praise you, fuzzman. Excuse me while I pick up my pallet and walk. Healed and whole at last! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Fuzz. Your sweet swingin' nondual boy, Baba G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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