Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Most religions and spiritual teachings have as a part of their creed, the equivalent of the Goldent Rule which says: " Do unto others, as you would have done unto you. " But there is an addition to this saying, which is included in some eastern traditions. It says: " Don't do unto others what you would not want done to you. " That is ahimsa. That is nonviolence. Om Shanti--Durga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Durga " <durgaji108> wrote: > Most religions and spiritual teachings have as a part of their creed, > the equivalent of the Goldent Rule which says: > " Do unto others, as you would have done unto you. " > > But there is an addition to this saying, which is included in some > eastern traditions. It says: " Don't do unto others what you would not > want done to you. " > > That is ahimsa. That is nonviolence. > > Om Shanti--Durga The belief in " others " ........is violence. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Durga " <durgaji108> wrote: > > Most religions and spiritual teachings have as a part of their creed, > > the equivalent of the Goldent Rule which says: > > " Do unto others, as you would have done unto you. " > > > > But there is an addition to this saying, which is included in some > > eastern traditions. It says: " Don't do unto others what you would not > > want done to you. " > > > > That is ahimsa. That is nonviolence. > > > > Om Shanti--Durga > > > The belief in " others " ........is violence. > > > > toombaru devi: how so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Durga " <durgaji108> wrote: > Most religions and spiritual teachings have as a part of their creed, > the equivalent of the Goldent Rule which says: > " Do unto others, as you would have done unto you. " > > But there is an addition to this saying, which is included in some > eastern traditions. It says: " Don't do unto others what you would not > want done to you. " > > That is ahimsa. That is nonviolence. > > Om Shanti--Durga 'Perfect', 'forced', 'made up', 'tried' Non-violence, 'love', 'kindness', 'compassion', 'peace' has been tried by many, many religions and people. I have NEVER seen a pope who doesn't 'demonstrate' love, compassion, kindness, compassion and peace. Same goes for every Catholic priest that I have ever met in my life ... Results of all this demonstrated 'compassion', 'kindness', and 'love' as well as real reality of it .... .. .... ...... Remember, Existence is neither Violent nor non-violent or ...it is Both! Either there is No Birth and Death or if there is birth, ....there is death Too! Birth and Death arise together ! Same Existence that gives birth to beautiful, delicate flowers is also HOME to bugs that eat them. Same existence that creates beautiful, small babies also creates mosquitoes, flies as well as ... viruses and bacterias than inflict and even kill them. [ Remember, a mosquitoes primarily lives only by sucking blood of living animals, many other animals survive only by eating other living animals ... ] Anybody, who attempts to accept only one side of existence usually ends up doing what ...... To really understand it, you have to understand and answer ... " WHERE DOES THE CONCEPT OF GOOD and BAD RESIDES ??? " ! " WHO 'Judges' Good and Bad ??? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 > >Message: 3 > Fri, 06 May 2005 19:13:42 -0000 > " Durga " <durgaji108 >Golden Rule/Ahimsa/Nonviolence > >Most religions and spiritual teachings have as a part of their creed, >the equivalent of the Goldent Rule which says: > " Do unto others, as you would have done unto you. " > >But there is an addition to this saying, which is included in some >eastern traditions. It says: " Don't do unto others what you would not >want done to you. " > >That is ahimsa. That is nonviolence. > no, this is just common sense living. non-violence as taught today is pacifism. that is the problem. ahimsa used to have a deeper meaning, but that has fallen almost out of normal usage. and it has been replaced by these Gandhian meanings. Gandhi was a politician pretending to be a saint. unfortunately ahimsa has been another buzzword ... another control structure. any situation can only be evaluated and responded to at that time in those contexts. these golden rules are just seeds of more discord and control. > > > > > " all this " works fine by itself. if i kept my mouth shut, nobody >would miss > > a thing. > >devi: harshaji is right...the Purusha/Self/Atman/the Supreme (as sri >niz would say) is the ultimate form of non-violence..where does your >negativity come from? > " it " needs no validation. whether from the ocean or from nonviolence. " it " cannot be taught. all attempts to emulate " it " are bound to end in fiasco. as long as we understand that these concepts of ahimsa, tolerance etc are just useful concepts for daily life, it is fine. don't pretend nonviolence comes from, or is, the self. a blind is leading another. a person was walking around making " vroom vroom " sounds. another asked him " what are you doing? " . so he said " i am riding a motorcycle " . the other person came behind him and sat down as if sitting down on the seat and said " lets ride it together " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 devi: and did you realize the Self as moksha? kaivalya? do you even know what those terms are? you: a person was walking around making " vroom vroom " sounds. another asked him " what are you doing? " . so he said " i am riding a motorcycle " . the other person came behind him and sat down as if sitting down on the seat and said " lets ride it together " . devi: you don't know the Self so you think no one can...what arrogance you have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemant bhai " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > a person was walking around making " vroom > vroom " sounds. another asked him " what are you doing? " . so he > said " i am riding a motorcycle " . > the other person came behind him and sat down > as if sitting down on the seat and said > " lets ride it together " . ************* Very good, excellent! Pretty funny, ain't it? And that's exactly right, you hit the nail on the head with all this bullshit seeking " god " or " whatever " crap. Little kids playing " dress up " , that's all it is. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 ga > > > > > > The belief in " others " ........is violence. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > devi: how so? The assumption of autonomy is the ultimate land grab. ...........it is a violent tearing of the fabric. That which was whole.......is ripped and torn to pieces. " This " becomes " mine " ....and needs to be protected.....at any cost. The horror of illusory separation.....creates a phantom.......that retreats to its fetid little house.....only to die alone..............whining about how cruel life is. ....it paints its walls with pretty pictures....sweetens all of its food......and waits for the next attack. It talks of oceanic love...but will step over starving babies to sit with a guru who it believes can help it attain enlightenment. It has no redeeming qualities. It is a selfish....self-centered.......... little puke. .....and you can be damn glad that it doesn't live very long. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > devi: and did you realize the Self as moksha? kaivalya? do you even > know what those terms are? > you: a person was walking around making " vroom vroom " sounds. another > asked him " what are you doing? " . so he > said " i am riding a motorcycle " . > the other person came behind him and sat down > as if sitting down on the seat and said > " lets ride it together " . > devi: you don't know the Self so you think no one can...what arrogance > you have... ok so you know, guruji. tell me what does it have to do with nonviolence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 devi: oic...you have issues with *others* > > > The belief in " others " ........is violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > devi: how so? > > > > > The assumption of autonomy is the ultimate land grab. > > > ..........it is a violent tearing of the fabric. > > > That which was whole.......is ripped and torn to pieces. > > > " This " becomes " mine " ....and needs to be protected.....at any cost. > > > The horror of illusory separation.....creates a phantom.......that retreats to its fetid little > house.....only to die alone..............whining about how cruel life is. > > ...it paints its walls with pretty pictures....sweetens all of its food......and waits for the next > attack. > > > It talks of oceanic love...but will step over starving babies to sit with a guru who it believes > can help it attain enlightenment. > > > It has no redeeming qualities. > > > It is a selfish....self-centered.......... little puke. > > > ....and you can be damn glad that it doesn't live very long. > > > > > toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > devi: and did you realize the Self as moksha? kaivalya? do you even > > know what those terms are? > > you: a person was walking around making " vroom vroom " sounds. another > > asked him " what are you doing? " . so he > > said " i am riding a motorcycle " . > > the other person came behind him and sat down > > as if sitting down on the seat and said > > " lets ride it together " . > > devi: you don't know the Self so you think no one can...what arrogance > > you have... > > ok so you know, guruji. tell me what does it have to do with nonviolence. devi: i can't really remember what the original statement was, guruji, can you remind me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 ....... D.: God being immanent in all, one should not take life of any kind. Is society right in taking the life of a murderer? Can the State do so either? The Christian countries begin to think that it is wrong to do so. M: What is it that prompted the murderer to commit the crime? The same power awards him the punishment. Society or the State is only a tool in the hands of the power. You speak of one life taken away; But what about innumerable lives lost in wars? D.: Quite so. Loss of lives is wrong anyway. Are wars justified? M: For a realized man, the one who remains ever in the Self, the loss of one or several or all lives either in this world or in all the three worlds makes no difference. Even if he happens to destroy them all, no sin can touch such a pure soul. Maharshi quoted the Gita, Chapter 18, Verse 1 7 - " He who is free from the notion of ego, whose intellect is unattached, though he annihilates all the worlds, he slayeth not, nor is he bound by the results of his actions. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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