Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Would you really want to be an awareness small enough to be captured contained and understood within its own conceptualization? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Would you really want to be an awareness small enough to be captured contained and understood within its own conceptualization? > > > > toombaru ************* Psychosis. It's all the latest rage, dontcha know? :-)) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Would you really want to be an awareness small enough to be captured > contained and understood within its own conceptualization? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > ************* > Psychosis. It's all the latest rage, dontcha know? :-)) > > Judi ************** ************* From another list... > The eastern traditions are primarily a form of psychosis, a " split " > between consciousness and form, which it appears here Maria is caught > up in, and unfortunatley keeps the seeker bound to a path of > experience, " up and out " , which is merely a form and demonstration of > schitzofrenia, your typical yogi. Whereas understanding, is > the " direct path " you could say, bypasses all such neurosis and > psychotic demonstrations. > > Judi ******** And what's funny about it, is that you have all these people trying to emulate psychotics. LOL Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 > > > > ************* > > Psychosis. It's all the latest rage, dontcha > know? :-)) > > > > Judi > > ************** > ************* > From another list... > > > The eastern traditions are primarily a form of > psychosis, a " split " > > between consciousness and form, which it appears > here Maria is caught > > up in, and unfortunatley keeps the seeker bound to > a path of > > experience, " up and out " , which is merely a form > and demonstration of > > schitzofrenia, your typical yogi. Whereas > understanding, is > > the " direct path " you could say, bypasses all such > neurosis and > > psychotic demonstrations. > > > > Judi > > ******** > And what's funny about it, is that you have all > these people trying to > emulate psychotics. LOL > > Judi > > Jeepers is that whats happening.Its the Psychosis of duality implanted in our brains by the evil doers (perhaps Osama Bin Laden has his finger in this little scheme) to trick us into thinking we are in a natural state of oneness with the manifested world in order to prevent us from seeing the world of opposits so that they can take over the world and create a world based upon evil where everybody is mean to each other and knows it all and trys to snuff out what little kindness is left(cause bad would not exist without good) or.. are the words I just typed a reflection of this posts positive and uplifting assesment of the egoic mind run rampant. Uh Oh,Looney Toones is on,Later,Doug........... > > > Mail Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile./learn/mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Would you really want to be an awareness small enough to be captured contained and understood within its own conceptualization? > > > > toombaru sam: apparently not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Would you really want to be an awareness small enough to be captured > contained and understood within its own conceptualization? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > sam: apparently not. Then why are you searching for yourself within you own concepts? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 > > > Would you really want to be an awareness small enough to be captured > > contained and understood within its own conceptualization? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > sam: apparently not. > > > > Then why are you searching for yourself within you own concepts? > > > > > toombaru sam: Consciousness likes to explore all parts of its conceptualized creations. A painter likes to paint. It likes to explore all aspects of the painting and then hang it up and enjoy it. A painter often likes others to come in and look at it from different angles to critique it and from there it may go on to get different ideas for different paintings. Why does a painter like to paint? Once having had the idea for the painting, or the project, one would think that would be enough. But no, the painter goes on to paint a picture of an apple and then frames it, hangs it up. A baker could think about food and that could be enough. But no, they like to get in the kitchen and whip up a knew concoction, then taste it and often have others sample it to critique; maybe get further ideas for further recipes. This idea you hold about being downstream from the thought as an after effect and therefore deemed as rather worthless is what get's people seeking and starts the whole non-content, looking for bliss trip. Yes, you are an after effect but not worthless. Your part of the entire song. Your human focus at the moment is the one eating the apple and viewing the picture. People talk about it as though it's a bad/wrong thing. There's nothing wrong with it, if you enjoy it. There's a place for it all in the system of consciousness otherwise you wouldn't be doing your toombaru song and I wouldn't be listening to it and critiquing it. Apparently noOne would really want to be an awareness small enough to be captured contained and understood within its own conceptualization or noOne would be here. (I know noOne is really here in the non-dual lingo - what I'm saying is that if this was truly the case you and the rest of the gang wouldn't be typing.) Your a part of it so why not go with it. You will never be able to know your full conscious potential b/c that hasn't been achieved, so you just get to know/experience that which you, toombaru/aspect of consciousness is now exploring. (irregardless of whether or not it is actually real or illusory irrelevent) You look at the painting, and eat the food. Who puts on a play if there is no audience? The play would be cancelled. This is why all the aspects work together - observer and observed; creator and created. It's part of the full meal deal. I know you are seeking answers as to why. You wonder why try to know something that is illusory and doesn't exist? Or, if you can't really fully know yourSelf then why bother. But that's not what this gig is about Toombaru. You're looking at the picture and saying it doesn't really exist so why should I enjoy it; it's not a picture of a real apple, it's a fake. But, who cares? not consciousness. That's why consciousness isn't searching for itself. It's only into getting out whatever (___) fill in the blank, in the moment. It is endlessly organizing little scenarios such as the one your familiar with. So, that's why once you stop searching you realize there's nothing to search for, you just stop and be whatever it is you are right now. But, if you still want to *not enjoy/accept* whatever it is your up to in this moment then clever little monkey's will come up with a clever little catch phrase that will analyze and disect the sentence that says, " just be " and they'll keep grasping at trying to be something else or have the next best thing. That's what pulls people out of the moment and, even that's o.k., because it's still all about critiquing the product. So, we have so many different critiques so that consciousness can decide what to do with toombaru. If there's no one downwind of toombaru how can we know whether to get rid of bad gas or just enjoy the smell of it? (refer to my irreverent previous post on bliss and farts.) Of course, this is probably all a brain fart but who cares? Just keep on until you stop. You may hate the smell or you may like the smell or be impartial. What does it matter? I think that's really the question you're asking? Your asking Why? and What? Ever since I've been reading your messages that's all I ever hear....toombaru saying.... " but this isn't real! So what/why the heck am I/We doing it? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > > > > > Would you really want to be an awareness small enough to be > captured > > > contained and understood within its own conceptualization? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > sam: apparently not. > > > > > > > > Then why are you searching for yourself within you own concepts? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > sam: Consciousness likes to explore all parts of its conceptualized > creations. A painter likes to paint. It likes to explore all > aspects of the painting and then hang it up and enjoy it. A painter > often likes others to come in and look at it from different angles > to critique it and from there it may go on to get different ideas > for different paintings. Why does a painter like to paint? Once > having had the idea for the painting, or the project, one would > think that would be enough. But no, the painter goes on to paint a > picture of an apple and then frames it, hangs it up. > A baker could think about food and that could be enough. But no, > they like to get in the kitchen and whip up a knew concoction, then > taste it and often have others sample it to critique; maybe get > further ideas for further recipes. This idea you hold about being > downstream from the thought as an after effect and therefore deemed > as rather worthless is what get's people seeking and starts the > whole non-content, looking for bliss trip. Yes, you are an after > effect but not worthless. Your part of the entire song. Your human > focus at the moment is the one eating the apple and viewing the > picture. People talk about it as though it's a bad/wrong thing. > There's nothing wrong with it, if you enjoy it. There's a place for > it all in the system of consciousness otherwise you wouldn't be > doing your toombaru song and I wouldn't be listening to it and > critiquing it. Apparently noOne would really want to be an > awareness small enough to be captured contained and understood > within its own conceptualization or noOne would be here. (I know > noOne is really here in the non-dual lingo - what I'm saying is that > if this was truly the case you and the rest of the gang wouldn't be > typing.) Your a part of it so why not go with it. > > You will never be able to know your full conscious potential b/c > that hasn't been achieved, so you just get to know/experience that > which you, toombaru/aspect of consciousness is now exploring. > (irregardless of whether or not it is actually real or illusory > irrelevent) You look at the painting, and eat the food. Who puts > on a play if there is no audience? The play would be cancelled. > This is why all the aspects work together - observer and observed; > creator and created. It's part of the full meal deal. > > I know you are seeking answers as to why. You wonder why try to > know something that is illusory and doesn't exist? Or, if you can't > really fully know yourSelf then why bother. But that's not what > this gig is about Toombaru. You're looking at the picture and > saying it doesn't really exist so why should I enjoy it; it's not a > picture of a real apple, it's a fake. But, who cares? not > consciousness. That's why consciousness isn't searching for > itself. It's only into getting out whatever (___) fill in the > blank, in the moment. It is endlessly organizing little scenarios > such as the one your familiar with. So, that's why once you stop > searching you realize there's nothing to search for, you just stop > and be whatever it is you are right now. But, if you still want to > *not enjoy/accept* whatever it is your up to in this moment then > clever little monkey's will come up with a clever little catch > phrase that will analyze and disect the sentence that says, " just > be " and they'll keep grasping at trying to be something else or have > the next best thing. That's what pulls people out of the moment > and, even that's o.k., because it's still all about critiquing the > product. So, we have so many different critiques so that > consciousness can decide what to do with toombaru. If there's no > one downwind of toombaru how can we know whether to get rid of bad > gas or just enjoy the smell of it? (refer to my irreverent previous > post on bliss and farts.) Of course, this is probably all a brain > fart but who cares? Just keep on until you stop. You may hate the > smell or you may like the smell or be impartial. What does it > matter? I think that's really the question you're asking? Your > asking Why? and What? Ever since I've been reading your messages > that's all I ever hear....toombaru saying.... " but this isn't real! > So what/why the heck am I/We doing it? " We aren't. It is being done through us....not by us. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 > > We aren't. > > It is being done through us....not by us. > > > > toombaru sam: You're talking about being done *through us* and not *by us* as being dualistic and separated and that is why you remain in this dualistic hodge podge confusion of banter. When you get past this nervous dualistic protective mechanism you'll notice that *IT* is all there is. *IT* is done through you, and, *IT* is done by you, because there is not you and 'other', there is only IT displaying as YOU. Therefore, it is being done " BY " YOU/IT. Then you notice that the choice was always YOURS and not some one/thing elses operating through you. YOU/IT then use the body as a means of operating in this context. Since you are so busy focusing on analyzing the non of things, the dualistic aspects and very busy saying things don't exist ad infinitum, you are a clever monkey mind who doesn't want IT to operate through. What would happen to the clever monkey toombaru if you did? You would then notice YOU choose and then you would notice (gasp) responsiblity. Clever monkeys don't like to take responsiblity even though it's an illusion therefore they focus on the illusory aspect as a ploy to not accept the IT from working through and the owning up to choices. You take it all so seriously and endlessly talk about how it's not real,which ends up doing the exact opposite of what your purpose is. (if your purpose in discussing that it's not real is to bring you to the reality of it or convince you of something) There is nothing to convince - you are IT.... You are dreams.... You are illusion....You are it all. You are choice and non-choice..... you are nothing....and You are that which the thing(illusory/dream) comes out of/through. Whether you are focused on the body or focused on the non-body (which you are seriously focused on the non aspect) it's all the same, it's all dual. YOU are IT. That's where the duality ends. You can cleverly run from it you little monkey.....it doesn't matter. It's all part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > > > > We aren't. > > > > It is being done through us....not by us. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > sam: You're talking about being done *through us* and not *by us* > as being dualistic and separated and that is why you remain in this > dualistic hodge podge confusion of banter. When you get past this > nervous dualistic protective mechanism you'll notice that *IT* is > all there is. *IT* is done through you, and, *IT* is done by you, > because there is not you and 'other', there is only IT displaying as > YOU. Therefore, it is being done " BY " YOU/IT. Then you notice > that the choice was always YOURS and not some one/thing elses > operating through you. YOU/IT then use the body as a means of > operating in this context. Since you are so busy focusing on > analyzing the non of things, the dualistic aspects and very busy > saying things don't exist ad infinitum, you are a clever monkey mind > who doesn't want IT to operate through. What would happen to the > clever monkey toombaru if you did? You would then notice YOU choose > and then you would notice (gasp) responsiblity. Clever monkeys > don't like to take responsiblity even though it's an illusion > therefore they focus on the illusory aspect as a ploy to not accept > the IT from working through and the owning up to choices. You take > it all so seriously and endlessly talk about how it's not real,which > ends up doing the exact opposite of what your purpose is. (if your > purpose in discussing that it's not real is to bring you to the > reality of it or convince you of something) There is nothing to > convince - you are IT.... You are dreams.... You are illusion....You > are it all. You are choice and non-choice..... you are > nothing....and You are that which the thing(illusory/dream) comes > out of/through. Whether you are focused on the body or focused on > the non-body (which you are seriously focused on the non aspect) > it's all the same, it's all dual. YOU are IT. That's where the > duality ends. You can cleverly run from it you little monkey.....it > doesn't matter. It's all part of it. Sam. Nothing ever happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > > ************** > ************* > From another list... > > > The eastern traditions are primarily a form of psychosis, a " split " > > between consciousness and form, which it appears here Maria is caught > > up in, and unfortunatley keeps the seeker bound to a path of > > experience, " up and out " , which is merely a form and demonstration of > > schitzofrenia, your typical yogi. Whereas understanding, is > > the " direct path " you could say, bypasses all such neurosis and > > psychotic demonstrations. > > > > Judi > > ******** > And what's funny about it, is that you have all these people trying to > emulate psychotics. LOL > > Judi sam: what's the difference between the eastern yogi/guru traditions and the western sect preacher traditions. It's all the same thing, the same motive they just have different rituals and myths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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