Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 There is a language...that only one man speaks. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > There is a language...that only one man speaks. > > > > > toombaru sam: and then you go on to say there is no man, no one to speak. No It through which or by any it or man can operate through. But now there is some kind of a language that this man whom you say doesn't speak speaks. Your messages are starting to sound very sick and confused. Maybe it would be just be a more sane idea to pick one theory and run with it. One sentence contradicts another until I can no longer make an ounce of sense out of anything your writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > There is a language...that only one man speaks. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > sam: and then you go on to say there is no man, no one to speak. No > It through which or by any it or man can operate through. But now > there is some kind of a language that this man whom you say doesn't > speak speaks. Your messages are starting to sound very sick and > confused. Maybe it would be just be a more sane idea to pick one > theory and run with it. One sentence contradicts another until I can > no longer make an ounce of sense out of anything your writing. Sam, I don't care if what comes through me " makes sense. The very foundation of all words is lunacy.......the naming of " things " is the mother of confusion. Thought is the only tool availale ......and it is simply not up to the task. It will never figure itself out. A thought cannot think about another thought....a thought about a thought is a new thought....and a thought about that thought is just another...... And on and on the thought stream flows....always separated from what is........ by time......... Thoughts attemping to capture reality......wrapping themselves in a meat body.......and claiming to be the All........ Judi is right......It is pathetic. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > There is a language...that only one man speaks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > sam: and then you go on to say there is no man, no one to speak. No > > It through which or by any it or man can operate through. But now > > there is some kind of a language that this man whom you say doesn't > > speak speaks. Your messages are starting to sound very sick and > > confused. Maybe it would be just be a more sane idea to pick one > > theory and run with it. One sentence contradicts another until I can > > no longer make an ounce of sense out of anything your writing. > > > > Sam, > > I don't care if what comes through me " makes sense. > > The very foundation of all words is lunacy.......the naming of " things " is the mother of confusion. > > > Thought is the only tool availale ......and it is simply not up to the task. > > It will never figure itself out. > > A thought cannot think about another thought....a thought about a thought is a new thought....and a thought about that thought is just another...... > > And on and on the thought stream flows....always separated from what is........ by time......... > > Thoughts attemping to capture reality......wrapping themselves in a meat body.......and claiming to be the All........ > > Judi is right......It is pathetic. > > > toombaru Toom, Maybe all you say above is true, and then again, might it be possible that you are expressing your own internal desire for self-condemnation and self-distrust? Then, also finding this expression externally ( " it's pathetic " ) and using it for validation of your own desire. Hear Niz: All you need is already within you, only you must approach your self with reverence and love. Self-condemnation and self-distrust are grievous errors. Your constant flight from pain and search for pleasure is a sign of love you bear for your self; all I plead with you is this: make love of your self perfect. Deny yourself nothing - give yourself infinity and eternity and discover that you do not need them; you are beyond. " In the words of Buzz Lightyear, " To infinity and beyond! " best, ~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > There is a language...that only one man speaks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > sam: and then you go on to say there is no man, no one to > speak. No > > > It through which or by any it or man can operate through. But now > > > there is some kind of a language that this man whom you say > doesn't > > > speak speaks. Your messages are starting to sound very sick and > > > confused. Maybe it would be just be a more sane idea to pick one > > > theory and run with it. One sentence contradicts another until > I can > > > no longer make an ounce of sense out of anything your writing. > > > > > > > > Sam, > > > > I don't care if what comes through me " makes sense. > > > > The very foundation of all words is lunacy.......the naming > of " things " is the mother of confusion. > > > > > > Thought is the only tool availale ......and it is simply not up to > the task. > > > > It will never figure itself out. > > > > A thought cannot think about another thought....a thought about a > thought is a new thought....and a thought about that thought is just > another...... > > > > And on and on the thought stream flows....always separated from > what is........ by time......... > > > > Thoughts attemping to capture reality......wrapping themselves in a > meat body.......and claiming to be the All........ > > > > Judi is right......It is pathetic. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Toom, > > Maybe all you say above is true, > and then again, might it be possible that > you are expressing your own internal desire > for self-condemnation and self-distrust? > Then, also finding this expression externally > ( " it's pathetic " ) > and using it for validation of your > own desire. > > Hear Niz: > > All you need is already within you, > only you must approach your self > with reverence and love. Self-condemnation > and self-distrust are grievous errors. > Your constant flight from pain and > search for pleasure is a sign of love you > bear for your self; all I plead with you > is this: make love of your self perfect. > Deny yourself nothing - give yourself > infinity and eternity and discover that > you do not need them; you are beyond. " > > In the words of Buzz Lightyear, > > " To infinity and beyond! " > > best, > > ~freyja ** Never mind Niz, the issue is what's your understanding, what's mine? You know....the living. Is there an *actual* separable self-- to either love or condemn? And if not, isn't the attempt to establish/maintain one....pathetic? (arousing compassion...from the Greek pathos...or suffering) Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: >> > Hear Niz: > > > > All you need is already within you, > > only you must approach your self > > with reverence and love. Self-condemnation > > and self-distrust are grievous errors. > > Your constant flight from pain and > > search for pleasure is a sign of love you > > bear for your self; all I plead with you > > is this: make love of your self perfect. > > Deny yourself nothing - give yourself > > infinity and eternity and discover that > > you do not need them; you are beyond. " > > > > In the words of Buzz Lightyear, > > > > " To infinity and beyond! " > > > > best, > > > > ~freyja > > ** Never mind Niz, the issue is what's your understanding, > what's mine? You know....the living. > Hi kenja, It's about this: There are three possibilities, either you see the forest for the trees or you don't see the forest for the trees, or, you don't care, because there isn't a question about it any more. This is not to suggest any kind of escapism, on the contrary, rather a full engagement with Life, as it is. Pain is inevitable and has to be dealt with... suffering is still also life expressing as it will, but doesn't suffering have the potential to thwart a full engagement with life? I think it does. > Is there an *actual* separable self-- to either love or > condemn? > No separable self to do anything " to " , just series of events that are either identified with as this is me, or not identified with and that may or may not serve as those infamous 'thorns' until none of it is any longer an issue > And if not, isn't the attempt to establish/maintain > one....pathetic? (arousing compassion...from the Greek > pathos...or suffering) > Well, the attempt to establish/maintain one is just a means of seeing that it is the opposite of the non-attempt to establish/maintain one. Of course, if one gets stuck in the obsessive- compulsiveness of either, then, yes, it may arouse compassion. *The play's the thing* ~the Bard ~freyja > > Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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