Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 The 'ego' does not choose anything. It emerges concurrently with the concept 'choice'. 'Choice' is merely one thought......one desire......dominating another. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 - toombaru2004 Nisargadatta Sunday, May 08, 2005 10:01 AM " Choice " The 'ego' does not choose anything. It emerges concurrently with the concept 'choice'. 'Choice' is merely one thought......one desire......dominating another. toombaru The results of 'choice' of the Universe choosing a process called " Toombaru " is what makes " Toombaru " Who " Toombaru Is right Here and Now. It is a choiceless choice. Anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, May 08, 2005 10:01 AM > " Choice " > > > The 'ego' does not choose anything. > > It emerges concurrently with the concept 'choice'. > > 'Choice' is merely one thought......one desire......dominating another. > > > toombaru > > > The results of 'choice' of the Universe choosing a process called " Toombaru " is what makes " Toombaru " Who " Toombaru Is right Here and Now. > > It is a choiceless choice. > > Anna > > > > > > ** > A river.........cannot " be " as it is...here and now. ..................everything is flowing into everything. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > The 'ego' does not choose anything. > > It emerges concurrently with the concept 'choice'. > > 'Choice' is merely one thought......one desire......dominating another. > Using the apperception that you have no choice to excuse your undesirable behavior....still assumes a distinct psychological center....in which responsibility is now denied. > > toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > The 'ego' does not choose anything. > > > > It emerges concurrently with the concept 'choice'. > > > > 'Choice' is merely one thought......one desire......dominating another. > > Using the apperception that you have no choice to excuse your undesirable behavior....still > assumes a distinct psychological center....in which responsibility is now denied. > > > > > > > toombaru sam: o.k., now toombaru you're confusin' me again. You're talking to yourself here right? You've often upheld the theory that you have no choice as your first statement implies. Now your second reply to your first statement sounds like your saying no choice assumes a distinct center in which responsiblity is denied. It's really this kind of circular thinking that could (and does) play endlessly back and forth in a whirlwind of nonsense. Who cares? As my dear dad used to say, either crap or get off the pot. In other words, either your into it and you get on with whatever it is your about, or you get off the pot and flush already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > The 'ego' does not choose anything. > > > > > > It emerges concurrently with the concept 'choice'. > > > > > > 'Choice' is merely one thought......one desire......dominating > another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using the apperception that you have no choice to excuse your > undesirable behavior....still > > assumes a distinct psychological center....in which responsibility > is now denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > sam: o.k., now toombaru you're confusin' me again. > You're talking to yourself here right? > You've often upheld the theory that you have no choice as your first > statement implies. > Now your second reply to your first statement sounds like your > saying no choice assumes a distinct center in which responsiblity is > denied. > It's really this kind of circular thinking that could (and does) > play endlessly back and forth in a whirlwind of nonsense. > Who cares? > As my dear dad used to say, either crap or get off the pot. In > other words, either your into it and you get on with whatever it is > your about, or you get off the pot and flush already. Ok...I'll try to choose between those two............but maybe you could come with a third possibility. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > The 'ego' does not choose anything. > > > > > > > > It emerges concurrently with the concept 'choice'. > > > > > > > > 'Choice' is merely one thought......one desire......dominating > > another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using the apperception that you have no choice to excuse your > > undesirable behavior....still > > > assumes a distinct psychological center....in which responsibility > > is now denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > sam: o.k., now toombaru you're confusin' me again. > > You're talking to yourself here right? > > You've often upheld the theory that you have no choice as your first > > statement implies. > > Now your second reply to your first statement sounds like your > > saying no choice assumes a distinct center in which responsiblity is > > denied. > > It's really this kind of circular thinking that could (and does) > > play endlessly back and forth in a whirlwind of nonsense. > > Who cares? > > As my dear dad used to say, either crap or get off the pot. In > > other words, either your into it and you get on with whatever it is > > your about, or you get off the pot and flush already. > > > > > Ok...I'll try to choose between those two............but maybe you could come with a third > possibility. > > > toombaru sam: hey, knock yourself out. I'm full out of creative ideas here. Actually, boredom has set in and I don't much give a flying rats rump anymore. Well, just when I think I do I decide I'm too damn lazy to care. That might be a job for Anna or Harsha. Their young vivaciousness is full of zest and zeal -- just the ticket for such creative possiblities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 sam_t_7 wrote: > > > > As my dear dad used to say, either crap or get off the pot. In > > > other words, either your into it and you get on with whatever it > is > > > your about, or you get off the pot and flush already. > > > > > > > > > > Ok...I'll try to choose between those two............but maybe you > could come with a third > > possibility. > > > > > > toombaru > > sam: hey, knock yourself out. I'm full out of creative ideas here. > Actually, boredom has set in and I don't much give a flying rats > rump anymore. Well, just when I think I do I decide I'm too damn > lazy to care. That might be a job for Anna or Harsha. Their young > vivaciousness is full of zest and zeal -- just the ticket for such > creative possiblities. > A laxative of choice perhaps. Castor oil, Metamucil, more fiber, apple a day, oatmeal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > sam_t_7 wrote: > > > > > > > As my dear dad used to say, either crap or get off the pot. In > > > > other words, either your into it and you get on with whatever it > > is > > > > your about, or you get off the pot and flush already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...I'll try to choose between those two............but maybe you > > could come with a third > > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > toombaru >> > >> > > sam: hey, knock yourself out. I'm full out of creative ideas here. > > Actually, boredom has set in and I don't much give a flying rats > > rump anymore. Well, just when I think I do I decide I'm too damn > > lazy to care. That might be a job for Anna or Harsha. Their young > > vivaciousness is full of zest and zeal -- just the ticket for such > > creative possiblities. > > > >harsha: A laxative of choice perhaps. Castor oil, Metamucil, more fiber, apple a > day, oatmeal? sam: hahahahahhaaaaaaaaa! You made me smile. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 - sam_t_7 Nisargadatta Sunday, May 08, 2005 4:08 PM Re: " Choice " Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > sam_t_7 wrote: > > > > > > > As my dear dad used to say, either crap or get off the pot. In > > > > other words, either your into it and you get on with whatever it > > is > > > > your about, or you get off the pot and flush already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...I'll try to choose between those two............but maybe you > > could come with a third > > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > toombaru >> > >> > > sam: hey, knock yourself out. I'm full out of creative ideas here. > > Actually, boredom has set in and I don't much give a flying rats > > rump anymore. Well, just when I think I do I decide I'm too damn > > lazy to care. That might be a job for Anna or Harsha. Their young > > vivaciousness is full of zest and zeal -- just the ticket for such > > creative possiblities. > > > >harsha: A laxative of choice perhaps. Castor oil, Metamucil, more fiber, apple a > day, oatmeal? sam: hahahahahhaaaaaaaaa! You made me smile. thanks. a walk in the park or garden a sensuousness in nature, may do. a.)) ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > sam_t_7 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As my dear dad used to say, either crap or get off the pot. > In > > > > > other words, either your into it and you get on with > whatever it > > > is > > > > > your about, or you get off the pot and flush already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...I'll try to choose between those two............but maybe > you > > > could come with a third > > > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > >> > > > >> > > > sam: hey, knock yourself out. I'm full out of creative ideas > here. > > > Actually, boredom has set in and I don't much give a flying rats > > > rump anymore. Well, just when I think I do I decide I'm too damn > > > lazy to care. That might be a job for Anna or Harsha. Their > young > > > vivaciousness is full of zest and zeal -- just the ticket for > such > > > creative possiblities. > > > > > > >harsha: A laxative of choice perhaps. Castor oil, Metamucil, more > fiber, apple a > > day, oatmeal? > > > sam: hahahahahhaaaaaaaaa! You made me smile. thanks. Smiling occured..............but no one is smiling. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > > > > > >harsha: A laxative of choice perhaps. Castor oil, Metamucil, more > > fiber, apple a > > > day, oatmeal? > > > > > > sam: hahahahahhaaaaaaaaa! You made me smile. thanks. > > > Smiling occured..............but no one is smiling. > > > toombaru sam: sure, what's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > > > > > > > > >harsha: A laxative of choice perhaps. Castor oil, Metamucil, > more > > > fiber, apple a > > > > day, oatmeal? > > > > > > > > > sam: hahahahahhaaaaaaaaa! You made me smile. thanks. > > > > > > Smiling occured..............but no one is smiling. > > > > > > toombaru > > sam: sure, what's your point? Harsha didn't make you smile. What occured was a nervous reaction to a clever and unpredicted use of concepts. The term " laxative of choice " took the stream of the conversation into a different arena......and temporarily confused the normal flow of the thought patterns in that brain you call yours. The so called smile was merely a nervous reaction....a confusion that stimulated a small amount of fear.........just enough fear to stimulate your self-protective biological response system to curl your upper lip in a manner that would show any onlookers the rather large size of those famous canines. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 toombaru2004 wrote: > > > Harsha didn't make you smile. Yes, I did. I bring smiles all around. This is well documented in scientific studies. > > What occured was a nervous reaction to a clever and unpredicted use of > concepts. Maybe that's what is occurring in you right now! :-). Smile if you can Run a mile if you can And if you can't, just plop on the sofa and as you sit think of the days when you were not fat but rather fit. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > toombaru2004 wrote: > > > > > > > Harsha didn't make you smile. > > > Yes, I did. I bring smiles all around. This is well documented in > scientific studies. > > > > > What occured was a nervous reaction to a clever and unpredicted use of > > concepts. > > > Maybe that's what is occurring in you right now! :-). > > Smile if you can > Run a mile if you can > And if you can't, just plop > on the sofa and as you sit > think of the days when you were not fat > but rather fit. > > > > > > > > > My goodness Harsha, That's pretty mean spirited for someone who claims to be a nice guy. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > >harsha: A laxative of choice perhaps. Castor oil, Metamucil, > > more > > > > fiber, apple a > > > > > day, oatmeal? > > > > > > > > > > > > sam: hahahahahhaaaaaaaaa! You made me smile. thanks. > > > > > > > > > Smiling occured..............but no one is smiling. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > sam: sure, what's your point? > > > > > Harsha didn't make you smile. > > What occured was a nervous reaction to a clever and unpredicted use of concepts. > > The term " laxative of choice " took the stream of the conversation into a different > arena......and temporarily confused the normal flow of the thought patterns in that brain > you call yours. > > > The so called smile was merely a nervous reaction....a confusion that stimulated a small > amount of fear.........just enough fear to stimulate your self- protective biological response > system to curl your upper lip in a manner that would show any onlookers the rather large > size of those famous canines. > > > > > toombaru sam: I think you're seriously overanalyzing and reading way more into thereby making something of of no thing. It wasn't nervous laughter. It was surprised laughter because I didn't realize Harsha had that kind of witty sense of humor and I do enjoy a good laugh. I'm not sure what you think I was afraid about. But this is better than a psychic hotline. His choice of a 3rd possiblity was truly funny to me, and made everybit as much sense as any other possiblity that could be submitted. I also smile at the term " either shit or get off the pot " , as I think it's a fun play on words. Do you have humor toombaru? Do you ever laugh or do you prefer to take things very seriously. By my famous canines are you refering to my questions? I question things that don't make sense to me and comment them - I notice you do it too - and if your using canines as an analogy to humanity then that would be one reason why humans have canines. (metaphorically) If they didn't then they wouldn't exist and I wouldn't have a body to be typing with now would I. To have a body and type you have to lock into some aspect of the ego/dualistic concept otherwise the body would disappear. If you're trying to identify ego then, bullseye, because everyone's got one of those, and it's how you keep your phsyical body. If you didn't you wouldn't have enough belief in it to even materialize one. if that's not what you're talking about then you'll have to explain further otherwise I have no idea what your talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > >harsha: A laxative of choice perhaps. Castor oil, > Metamucil, > > > more > > > > > fiber, apple a > > > > > > day, oatmeal? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sam: hahahahahhaaaaaaaaa! You made me smile. thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Smiling occured..............but no one is smiling. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > sam: sure, what's your point? > > > > > > > > > > Harsha didn't make you smile. > > > > What occured was a nervous reaction to a clever and unpredicted > use of concepts. > > > > The term " laxative of choice " took the stream of the conversation > into a different > > arena......and temporarily confused the normal flow of the thought > patterns in that brain > > you call yours. > > > > > > The so called smile was merely a nervous reaction....a confusion > that stimulated a small > > amount of fear.........just enough fear to stimulate your self- > protective biological response > > system to curl your upper lip in a manner that would show any > onlookers the rather large > > size of those famous canines. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > sam: I think you're seriously overanalyzing and reading way more > into thereby making something of of no thing. It wasn't nervous > laughter. It was surprised laughter because I didn't realize Harsha > had that kind of witty sense of humor and I do enjoy a good laugh. > I'm not sure what you think I was afraid about. But this is better > than a psychic hotline. His choice of a 3rd possiblity was truly > funny to me, and made everybit as much sense as any other possiblity > that could be submitted. I also smile at the term " either shit or > get off the pot " , as I think it's a fun play on words. > Do you have humor toombaru? Do you ever laugh or do you prefer to > take things very seriously. > > By my famous canines are you refering to my questions? I question > things that don't make sense to me and comment them - I notice you > do it too - and if your using canines as an analogy to humanity then > that would be one reason why humans have canines. (metaphorically) > If they didn't then they wouldn't exist and I wouldn't have a body > to be typing with now would I. To have a body and type you have to > lock into some aspect of the ego/dualistic concept otherwise the > body would disappear. If you're trying to identify ego then, > bullseye, because everyone's got one of those, and it's how you keep > your phsyical body. If you didn't you wouldn't have enough belief > in it to even materialize one. if that's not what you're talking > about then you'll have to explain further otherwise I have no idea > what your talking about ........and you never will.....as long as there is a belief in a separare I-ness......that can understand.....anything. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 toombaru2004 wrote: > - > > My goodness Harsha, > > > That's pretty mean spirited for someone who claims to be a nice guy. > > > toombaru My goodness Toombaru, Just read what you wrote again and reflect on it carefully. Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > >harsha: A laxative of choice perhaps. Castor oil, > > Metamucil, > > > > more > > > > > > fiber, apple a > > > > > > > day, oatmeal? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sam: hahahahahhaaaaaaaaa! You made me smile. thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smiling occured..............but no one is smiling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > sam: sure, what's your point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harsha didn't make you smile. > > > > > > What occured was a nervous reaction to a clever and unpredicted > > use of concepts. > > > > > > The term " laxative of choice " took the stream of the conversation > > into a different > > > arena......and temporarily confused the normal flow of the thought > > patterns in that brain > > > you call yours. > > > > > > > > > The so called smile was merely a nervous reaction....a confusion > > that stimulated a small > > > amount of fear.........just enough fear to stimulate your self- > > protective biological response > > > system to curl your upper lip in a manner that would show any > > onlookers the rather large > > > size of those famous canines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > sam: I think you're seriously overanalyzing and reading way more > > into thereby making something of of no thing. It wasn't nervous > > laughter. It was surprised laughter because I didn't realize Harsha > > had that kind of witty sense of humor and I do enjoy a good laugh. > > I'm not sure what you think I was afraid about. But this is better > > than a psychic hotline. His choice of a 3rd possiblity was truly > > funny to me, and made everybit as much sense as any other possiblity > > that could be submitted. I also smile at the term " either shit or > > get off the pot " , as I think it's a fun play on words. > > Do you have humor toombaru? Do you ever laugh or do you prefer to > > take things very seriously. > > > > By my famous canines are you refering to my questions? I question > > things that don't make sense to me and comment them - I notice you > > do it too - and if your using canines as an analogy to humanity then > > that would be one reason why humans have canines. (metaphorically) > > If they didn't then they wouldn't exist and I wouldn't have a body > > to be typing with now would I. To have a body and type you have to > > lock into some aspect of the ego/dualistic concept otherwise the > > body would disappear. If you're trying to identify ego then, > > bullseye, because everyone's got one of those, and it's how you keep > > your phsyical body. If you didn't you wouldn't have enough belief > > in it to even materialize one. if that's not what you're talking > > about then you'll have to explain further otherwise I have no idea > > what your talking about > > > > > .......and you never will.....as long as there is a belief in a separare I-ness......that can understand.....anything. > > > > > toombaru sam: why do you suppose you inhabit a body? It is to get a sense of understanding the human realm (irregardless of it being illusory). You don't like to admit it but you do understand many things about this human world and that's exactly what your doing here. Which is no surprise since you are here. You get overly caught up in the I'm-not-real-therefore-I'm-not-here thing which is what catches you up. Consciousness doesn't care if it's not real. It knows it's not real/You know You're not real. It's just exploring this little thing called humanity and it's understanding a lot about it. You watch a movie, you don't care if it's real. You know it's not real, but you still watch and explore it. That's what consciousness IS/DOES. There is no separate I-ness there is only *I*. Your words refuse that *I* by saying it can't come through you, which flings you back into dualism and then you post endlessly about the illusory nature of dualism saying it's not real. Toombaru, that's just one step away from crazy, and it continues to pedal the concept of crazy by focusing on the non- dualistic nature. It's NOT real. Get over it. Whether you focus on non-dualistic illusory (in which case you do) or you focus on the ONEness concept, (which many do) it's all the same .........it's still all focusing on dualism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > toombaru2004 wrote: > > > - > > > > My goodness Harsha, > > > > > > That's pretty mean spirited for someone who claims to be a nice guy. > > > > > > toombaru > > > My goodness Toombaru, > > Just read what you wrote again and reflect on it carefully. > > Harsha sam: harsha, toombaru is having his dualistic monkey mind buttons pushed by something that has been brought up on this board and his clever little monkey mind is peddling like crazy so it doesn't die out -- swimming like a duck under water furiously to stay afloat. Such is the way with those who don't accept that their IT. They fight it tooth and nail, hence the dualistic banter to keep the concept alive and well within their brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >harsha: A laxative of choice perhaps. Castor oil, > > > Metamucil, > > > > > more > > > > > > > fiber, apple a > > > > > > > > day, oatmeal? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sam: hahahahahhaaaaaaaaa! You made me smile. thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smiling occured..............but no one is smiling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > sam: sure, what's your point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harsha didn't make you smile. > > > > > > > > What occured was a nervous reaction to a clever and > unpredicted > > > use of concepts. > > > > > > > > The term " laxative of choice " took the stream of the > conversation > > > into a different > > > > arena......and temporarily confused the normal flow of the > thought > > > patterns in that brain > > > > you call yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > The so called smile was merely a nervous reaction....a > confusion > > > that stimulated a small > > > > amount of fear.........just enough fear to stimulate your self- > > > protective biological response > > > > system to curl your upper lip in a manner that would show any > > > onlookers the rather large > > > > size of those famous canines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > sam: I think you're seriously overanalyzing and reading way > more > > > into thereby making something of of no thing. It wasn't > nervous > > > laughter. It was surprised laughter because I didn't realize > Harsha > > > had that kind of witty sense of humor and I do enjoy a good > laugh. > > > I'm not sure what you think I was afraid about. But this is > better > > > than a psychic hotline. His choice of a 3rd possiblity was > truly > > > funny to me, and made everybit as much sense as any other > possiblity > > > that could be submitted. I also smile at the term " either shit > or > > > get off the pot " , as I think it's a fun play on words. > > > Do you have humor toombaru? Do you ever laugh or do you prefer > to > > > take things very seriously. > > > > > > By my famous canines are you refering to my questions? I > question > > > things that don't make sense to me and comment them - I notice > you > > > do it too - and if your using canines as an analogy to humanity > then > > > that would be one reason why humans have canines. > (metaphorically) > > > If they didn't then they wouldn't exist and I wouldn't have a > body > > > to be typing with now would I. To have a body and type you have > to > > > lock into some aspect of the ego/dualistic concept otherwise the > > > body would disappear. If you're trying to identify ego then, > > > bullseye, because everyone's got one of those, and it's how you > keep > > > your phsyical body. If you didn't you wouldn't have enough > belief > > > in it to even materialize one. if that's not what you're > talking > > > about then you'll have to explain further otherwise I have no > idea > > > what your talking about > > > > > > > > > > .......and you never will.....as long as there is a belief in a > separare I-ness......that can understand.....anything. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > sam: why do you suppose you inhabit a body? You assume that......I do not. It is to get a sense > of understanding the human realm (irregardless of it being > illusory). You don't like to admit it but you do understand many > things about this human world and that's exactly what your doing > here. There's that assumption of a separate self again.......see it? Which is no surprise since you are here. There is indeed a body here............but no one's home. You get overly > caught up in the I'm-not-real-therefore-I'm-not-here thing which is > what catches you up. Oh........there it is again.....see it? Consciousness doesn't care if it's not real. How would you know that. What is consciousness? If there is such a " thing " ...how could it know anything about itself? > It knows it's not real/You know You're not real. There is a knowingness.....no one knows. It's just > exploring this little thing called humanity and it's understanding a > lot about it. That which exists only as an idea.......can never know anything about its supposed self. Thought about thoughts about thoughts. You watch a movie, you don't care >if it's real. There it is again......see it? Watching happens.....no one watching. You > know it's not real, but you still watch and explore it. There it is......see it this time? That's > what consciousness IS/DOES. There is no separate I-ness there is > only *I*. No there isn't It just appear that way. Your words refuse that *I* by saying it can't come > through you, which flings you back into dualism and then you post I'll bet you see it now......Don't you? > endlessly about the illusory nature of dualism saying it's not > real. Toombaru, that's just one step away from crazy, Crazy.........is believing that there is a you to get it. and it > continues to pedal the concept of crazy by focusing on the non- > dualistic nature. It's NOT real. Get over it. Whether you focus > on non-dualistic illusory (in which case you do) or you focus on the You gotta see it now........there it is....right there.......Can you see it? toombaru > ONEness concept, (which many do) it's all the same .........it's > still all focusing on dualism. All " focusing " occurs within dualism. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > toombaru2004 wrote: > > > > > - > > > > > > My goodness Harsha, > > > > > > > > > That's pretty mean spirited for someone who claims to be a nice > guy. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > My goodness Toombaru, > > > > Just read what you wrote again and reflect on it carefully. > > > > Harsha > > > sam: harsha, toombaru is having his dualistic monkey mind buttons > pushed by something that has been brought up on this board and his > clever little monkey mind is peddling like crazy so it doesn't die > out -- swimming like a duck under water furiously to stay afloat. > Such is the way with those who don't accept that their IT. They > fight it tooth and nail, hence the dualistic banter to keep the > concept alive and well within their brain. Thinking you are " IT " is merely egoic grandiosity. Thinking you are some-thing......and then thinking that this something is every-thing.....is thought gone amuk. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > sam: why do you suppose you inhabit a body? > > > You assume that......I do not. It is to get a sense > > of understanding the human realm (irregardless of it being > > illusory). You don't like to admit it but you do understand many > > things about this human world and that's exactly what your doing > > here. > > > > There's that assumption of a separate self again.......see it? > > > > > Which is no surprise since you are here. > > > > There is indeed a body here............but no one's home. > > > > > You get overly > > caught up in the I'm-not-real-therefore-I'm-not-here thing which is > > what catches you up. > > > Oh........there it is again.....see it? > > > > > > Consciousness doesn't care if it's not real. > > > > How would you know that. > > What is consciousness? > > If there is such a " thing " ...how could it know anything about itself? > > > > > > It knows it's not real/You know You're not real. > > > There is a knowingness.....no one knows. > > > > > It's just > > exploring this little thing called humanity and it's understanding a > > lot about it. > > > > That which exists only as an idea.......can never know anything about its supposed self. > > > Thought about thoughts about thoughts. > You watch a movie, you don't care > >if it's real. > > > > > > There it is again......see it? > > > > > > Watching happens.....no one watching. > > > > > > You > > know it's not real, but you still watch and explore it. > > > > There it is......see it this time? > > > > > That's > > what consciousness IS/DOES. There is no separate I-ness there is > > only *I*. > > > No there isn't > > > It just appear that way. > > > > Your words refuse that *I* by saying it can't come > > through you, which flings you back into dualism and then you post > > > I'll bet you see it now......Don't you? > > > > > > endlessly about the illusory nature of dualism saying it's not > > real. Toombaru, that's just one step away from crazy, > > > > > Crazy.........is believing that there is a you to get it. > and it > > continues to pedal the concept of crazy by focusing on the non- > > dualistic nature. It's NOT real. Get over it. Whether you focus > > on non-dualistic illusory (in which case you do) or you focus on the > > > > You gotta see it now........there it is....right there.......Can you see it? > > toombaru > > > ONEness concept, (which many do) it's all the same .........it's > > still all focusing on dualism. > > > All " focusing " occurs within dualism. > > > > > toombaru sam: yes it's an illusion. Yes your body isn't real. I know that. and yet you keep on typing. You do this because___________. What I'm saying, is.........who cares????? Same as what Werner was saying..... who cares???? Have a cigarette and a drink...... you don't get that because you're so caught up in overly focusing on caring about the body that is illusory. You always respond to questions by saying, Who's on first...or there is no who, or something to that effect, but that has nothing to do with the price of rice in china. You don't get it toombaru..... there is NO thing to figure out. Yet you struggle bashing your head in saying things don't exist. Yes it doesn't exist. Yes you are not separate. You're focused on the stuck record of " there's no body and no one in the body. " Yes, and still......you......type......... Come with Werner and I. There's a lovely bar down at strawberry canyon and occasionally we like to imbibe in a little drink and a few laughs, shoot the bull about NoThing in particular.....who cares? Not us! Here we are and we're just being whatever the heck that is until it stops. No need to fight it. No need to seek after some kind of love. It's in your fighting young grasshopper (for or against) that your confusion and sorrow lies. You and Judi are no different than the seekers after enlightenment becuz you make about as much sense albeit peddling your wares from the opposite side of the street -- peddling enlightenment through non- enlightenment is the same kind of thing. Now I'll shut back up and curl my upper lip in so my lovely famous canines don't show. I do love the whole dracula thing though..... luv dracula movies....something very sensuous about the enigmatic canines piercing the throat no? They chase you in your dreams and there is no where to go....they hold you spellbound with their dark beauty and you run but you can't hide. Don't be afraid of my canines Toombaru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 > > > > My goodness Harsha, > > > > > > > > > > > > That's pretty mean spirited for someone who claims to be a nice > > guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > My goodness Toombaru, > > > > > > Just read what you wrote again and reflect on it carefully. > > > > > > Harsha > > sam: harsha, toombaru is having his dualistic monkey mind buttons > > pushed by something that has been brought up on this board and his > > clever little monkey mind is peddling like crazy so it doesn't die > > out -- swimming like a duck under water furiously to stay afloat. > > Such is the way with those who don't accept that their IT. They > > fight it tooth and nail, hence the dualistic banter to keep the > > concept alive and well within their brain. > > Thinking you are " IT " is merely egoic grandiosity. > > > Thinking you are some-thing......and then thinking that this something is every-thing.....is thought gone amuk. > > > > > toombaru sam: there is void, and there is a consciousness. It's not rocket science but you want to overly complicate it all. There is consciousness and your typing is proof of that. (again, the nature of the body, whether it is illusory or not is irrelevent to the issue of consciousness.) This consciousness that inhabits your body is EveryThing/NoThing. It doesn't care if everything is illusory. It doesn't care if it is actually NoThing. Consciousness is just aware of stuff. It makes stuff to be aware of. you are proof. Thinking you are Not Something and debating whether that something is illusory is thought gone amuk. But consciousness doesn't care. It's just conscious of all the stuff whether it's illusory or not - whether it's run amok or not, whether it's crazy in a straight jacket or not. You are something and you are nothing. This something is EveryThing and yet it is NoThing. It is not one or the other. You call it thought gone amok and this is what lends to your separate sense. You have divided it into one thing or the other (dual) Consciousness is everything and at the same time nothing. It is the body your type in (whether or not you admit your typing) and regardless of whether or not the body typing is illusory. The body is nothing and yet it is something. When you stop dividing your thoughts into this and that, identifying this as a non-dual thing and that as a dual thing, ex: the ocean/wave debate, the " you aren't it " debate, the " there is no it " debate, the " who's on third " debate, (which is all your clever masked way of asking......what? why? how?......then there is nothing to fight against. You stop fighting against consciousness and you *realize* you -are- consciousness right here and now.....and.....that is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 - toombaru2004 Nisargadatta Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:50 PM Re: " Choice " Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, May 08, 2005 10:01 AM > " Choice " > > > The 'ego' does not choose anything. > > It emerges concurrently with the concept 'choice'. > > 'Choice' is merely one thought......one desire......dominating another. > > > toombaru > > > The results of 'choice' of the Universe choosing a process called " Toombaru " is what makes " Toombaru " Who " Toombaru Is right Here and Now. > > It is a choiceless choice. > > Anna > > > > > > ** > A river.........cannot " be " as it is...here and now. .................everything is flowing into everything. And so it is..........And it is so......... Flowing a dream along the Way......dreaming Flow a. toombaru ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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