Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Every thought is ... " caused " ! There is Nothing like ...'automatic' thought or 'involuntary' thinking ! As there is No reality bigger, stronger, beyond you ...’other’ than you ! .....there is NO One ‘else’ to give you thoughts ! All thoughts are results of desire, attachment and the continuation of the previous thoughts of ... " wanting to do " , " having to do " , " should do " , " will do " ! Discover Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 All knowledge lies in the domain of thoughts. ....all memory is the Result of Repetition ! All habits, all conditioning is merely caused by doing the same thing over and over ... Scientists for long time thought that dreams was an useless activity ....later they discovered that it was essential to learn any New skill, trick and to memorize Things ! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 >>>Scientists for long time thought that dreams was an useless activity ....later they discovered that it was essential to learn any New skill, trick and to memorize Things ! ..... The brain does the same thing, when you are awake ... It goes on thinking .... ....it goes on repeating ! And, it is Not really useless ! Sometimes, it is misdirected, but Never useless, never without a cause and effect. Sometimes, it is strengthening a 'memory', a lesson, a 'learning' by repeating it over and over ... It is Self-Programming ! Other times, it is trying to keep itself ready, prepared and alert ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 End of thoughts is Peace ... End of thoughts is Samadhi ... All knowledge is a burden, a task, a load ... Dropping it is a relief, ...lightness, freedom ... In Deep Sleep, in samadhi ... Thoughts drop and so does all the knowledge, conditioning and memories ... " I am this person " is also just a repeated focused thought ... ....that too Drops ! The " feeling of body " is merely caused by brain continuously communicating with the rest of the body, ....that too Drops ! It is the ... " loss of self " It is the ... " end of story " , ... " end of the dream " ... It is the end of ... " I am this body " illusion ! In many cases, ...Only to be continued later ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 .... >>End of thoughts is Samadhi ... >>In Deep Sleep, in samadhi ... >>Thoughts drop and so does all the knowledge, conditioning and memories ... ...... But, remember ... this samadhi doesn't end by itself ... It doesn't say, I have to go, I have to end ... Yes, body has its own needs that might need to carried. But, the body has enough intelligence and 'stored body memory' to carry most of its tasks without engaging the thinking mind. The samadhi ends because you say it has to ... Because, you have this / that task that requires thinking to start and 'the thinking mind' to continue ... In other cases, it ends because you feel playful, excited, astonished, ....you want to tell others story of it. It ends, because, you feel " I have to do something " which is more than sitting in cave as in case of Ramana or on park benches as in case of Tolle ... ( And, who does even know about many others about people never heard/read ...) It ends, because you want to play, because, you want to connect ... because, you want to share ... because, you want to engage ... Or, because, you are afraid ... All the Certainty, all the Control, all the Predictability ...seems Gone ! You don't seem like the same person anymore ... In fact, you don't seem like a person at all ! Just raw intelligence, Plain Awareness, ..... Who can even say, ...what you will or will Not do ! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 >>You don't seem like the same person anymore ... >>In fact, you don't seem like a person at all ! >>Just raw intelligence, Plain Awareness, ..... Yes, that is the realm of God ... But, it is also the end of “you”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> wrote: > > ... > > > > >>End of thoughts is Samadhi ... > > > > >>In Deep Sleep, > > in samadhi ... > > > > >>Thoughts drop and so does all the > > knowledge, conditioning and memories ... > If you have tasks to do for which samadhi must end, how did you remember those tasks without the memory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > > > >>End of thoughts is Samadhi ... > > > > > > > > >>In Deep Sleep, > > > > in samadhi ... > > > > > > > > >>Thoughts drop and so does all the > > > > knowledge, conditioning and memories ... > > > > If you have tasks to do for which samadhi must end, how did you > remember those tasks without the memory? Thanks, Hemant ! Maybe, same way that dreams that are Totally Absent in Deep Dreamless Sleep, ...suddenly arise ! i.e. Memories might " seem " `present' or `absent' ... thoughts might SEEM present or absent ! But, the thinker is always present ! The potential is always present ! The seed is always present ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > <adithya_comming> > > wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > >>End of thoughts is Samadhi ... > > > > > > > > > > > > >>In Deep Sleep, > > > > > > in samadhi ... > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Thoughts drop and so does all the > > > > > > knowledge, conditioning and memories ... > > > > > > > If you have tasks to do for which samadhi must end, how did you > > remember those tasks without the memory? > > Thanks, Hemant ! > > Maybe, same way that dreams that are > Totally Absent in Deep Dreamless Sleep, ...suddenly arise ! > > > i.e. Memories might " seem " `present' or `absent' ... > > thoughts might SEEM present or absent ! > > But, the thinker is always present ! > > The potential is always present ! > > The seed is always present ! .. .... ...... One that is Aware of " being Full of thoughts " as well as " No thoughts " , " no memory " , " no conditioning " ....Nothing is always present ! It is then, just the matter of accessing and reviving those cells that otherwise seem dormant, dead ...inactive, dormant, sleeping, ... " as if, not there " ! As Pete likes to say ... When the electricity is witched off ... the computer stops working, ....the data " seems " gone ! But, as long as the data is still on the hard disk, ...the POWER can still bring it back ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > <adithya_comming> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>End of thoughts is Samadhi ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>In Deep Sleep, > > > > > > > > in samadhi ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Thoughts drop and so does all the > > > > > > > > knowledge, conditioning and memories ... > > > > > > > > > > If you have tasks to do for which samadhi must end, how did you > > > remember those tasks without the memory? > > > > Thanks, Hemant ! > > > > Maybe, same way that dreams that are > > Totally Absent in Deep Dreamless Sleep, ...suddenly arise ! > > > > > > i.e. Memories might " seem " `present' or `absent' ... > > > > thoughts might SEEM present or absent ! > > > > But, the thinker is always present ! > > > > The potential is always present ! > > > > The seed is always present ! > > . > ... > ..... > > One that is Aware of " being Full of thoughts " > as well as " No thoughts " , " no memory " , > " no conditioning " ....Nothing is always present ! > > It is then, just the matter of accessing and > reviving those cells that otherwise seem dormant, > dead ...inactive, dormant, sleeping, ... " as if, not there " ! > > > As Pete likes to say ... > > When the electricity is witched off ... > the computer stops working, > ...the data " seems " gone ! > > But, as long as the data is still on > the hard disk, ...the POWER can still > bring it back ! Or, Memories are Very likely a " Physical " Thing ! i.e. someday, it might be possible to transfer memory form one brain to another by simply transferring brain parts ! As long as that structure is intact, ....there might always be way to revive those memories No matter how `dead' without an active Consciousness they might appear ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > i.e. Memories might " seem " `present' or `absent' ... > > thoughts might SEEM present or absent ! > > But, the thinker is always present ! > > The potential is always present ! > > The seed is always present ! till the memory (the seed) has been purified, these samadhis have little value. they are just lipstick and eyeshadow. once the memory has been purified, you won't hanker for the samadhi anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > One that is Aware of " being Full of thoughts " > as well as " No thoughts " , " no memory " , > " no conditioning " ....Nothing is always present ! > this is a mistake that happened long ago. lack of thought is not going to help. if you are trying to stop thoughts, how _could_ you? the thought trying to stop thoughts will be there. thought is not the enemy, ambition is. make thought your friend. it may be the best friend you have. and live sahaj - ly . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Or, > > Memories are Very likely a " Physical " > Thing ! i.e. someday, it might be > possible to transfer memory form one > brain to another by simply transferring > brain parts ! > > As long as that structure is intact, > ...there might always be way to revive > those memories No matter how `dead' > without an active Consciousness > they might appear ! the duality between physical and psychic is false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > One that is Aware of " being Full of thoughts " > > as well as " No thoughts " , " no memory " , > > " no conditioning " ....Nothing is always present ! > > > > this is a mistake that happened long ago. > > lack of thought is not going to help. > > if you are trying to stop thoughts, how _could_ you? the thought > trying to stop thoughts will be there. > > thought is not the enemy, ambition is. > > make thought your friend. it may be the best friend you have. and live > sahaj - ly . devi: i have experienced the higheset samadhis...i never hankered after them...they came as a result of intense sadhana.... there are two samadhis...another name for super-consciousness one with seed one without seed (seed meaning thought, ) these samadhis have been know about since the first human being became enlightenend... the knowledge of them has been passed down from person to person.... my guru is a master of yoga, he teaches and writes about samadhis..they are real while yoga may not be your path you don't have to spread lies about somethng you know nothing about.... if you want to actually get *enlightened* you WILL lose you thoughts, not one will remain..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > i.e. Memories might " seem " `present' or `absent' ... > > > > thoughts might SEEM present or absent ! > > > > But, the thinker is always present ! > > > > The potential is always present ! > > > > The seed is always present ! > > till the memory (the seed) has been purified, these samadhis have > little value. they are just lipstick and eyeshadow. > > once the memory has been purified, you won't hanker for the samadhi > anyway. Says ... " Who " ?? PS: No Offense intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > One that is Aware of " being Full of thoughts " > > as well as " No thoughts " , " no memory " , > > " no conditioning " ....Nothing is always present ! > > > > this is a mistake that happened long ago. > > lack of thought is not going to help. > > if you are trying to stop thoughts, how _could_ you? the thought > trying to stop thoughts will be there. When you want to stop, ......you STOP paddling ! The bicycle will go on for a while, because of the stored momentum and but will ultimately Stop ! You can then paddle again, ....or don't. Same thing happens, When you sleep, You dream, ....without bothering, .... " without trying to stop or continue " ! Then, " dreams " disappear, ....then, they appear again! Thoughts work pretty much say way ! Thoughts have No real energy of their own. You `start' them, you give them `momentum', .....you loan them your energy by `desires', `want', attachment or ...'aversion' ! They stop, .....when, you remain `unconcerned' and Neutral ! PS: .....and, Yes, " dreams " can Stop Too! > > thought is not the enemy, ambition is. > > make thought your friend. it may be the best friend you have. and live > sahaj - ly . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > devi: i have experienced the higheset samadhis...i never hankered > after them...they came as a result of intense sadhana.... > > there are two samadhis...another name for super-consciousness > > my guru is a master of yoga, he teaches and writes about > samadhis..they are real > > while yoga may not be your path you don't have to spread lies about > somethng you know nothing about.... > > if you want to actually get *enlightened* you WILL lose you thoughts, > not one will remain..... now stop dreaming and go back to who is getting pissed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > i.e. Memories might " seem " `present' or `absent' ... > > > > > > thoughts might SEEM present or absent ! > > > > > > But, the thinker is always present ! > > > > > > The potential is always present ! > > > > > > The seed is always present ! > > > > till the memory (the seed) has been purified, these samadhis have > > little value. they are just lipstick and eyeshadow. > > > > once the memory has been purified, you won't hanker for the samadhi > > anyway. > > > Says ... " Who " ?? > > sez hemant bhai. take it or leave it. either way it is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > One that is Aware of " being Full of thoughts " > > > as well as " No thoughts " , " no memory " , > > > " no conditioning " ....Nothing is always present ! > > > > > > > this is a mistake that happened long ago. > > > > lack of thought is not going to help. > > > > if you are trying to stop thoughts, how _could_ you? the thought > > trying to stop thoughts will be there. > > When you want to stop, > > .....you STOP paddling ! > > > The bicycle will go on for > a while, because of the stored > momentum and but will ultimately Stop ! > > > You can then paddle again, > ...or don't. > > > Same thing happens, > When you sleep, You dream, > ...without bothering, > ... " without trying to > stop or continue " ! > > Then, " dreams " disappear, > ...then, they appear again! > > > Thoughts work pretty much say way ! > > > Thoughts have No real energy of their own. > > You `start' them, you give them `momentum', > ....you loan them your energy by `desires', > `want', attachment or ...'aversion' ! > > > They stop, > ....when, you remain `unconcerned' and Neutral ! > > the paddling you are referring to is the power behind the thoughts. that is the intention. the problem is not the thoughts. it is the intention. intention is in the heart. thought is in the brain. to be at peace, does not mean you have to kill the mind. always be alert, what is my intention? is it for my benefit alone or is it for all? no one can tell you how intention is purified. neither can anyone tell you how a seed comes to life. it is a mystery. but when it does the heart is free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > > > > devi: i have experienced the higheset samadhis...i never hankered > > after them...they came as a result of intense sadhana.... > > > > there are two samadhis...another name for super-consciousness > > > > my guru is a master of yoga, he teaches and writes about > > samadhis..they are real > > > > while yoga may not be your path you don't have to spread lies about > > somethng you know nothing about.... > > > > if you want to actually get *enlightened* you WILL lose you thoughts, > > not one will remain..... > > now stop dreaming and go back to who is getting pissed here. devi: i'll stop dreaming whenever i want....maybe you should stop telling me what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > > > > > > > devi: i have experienced the higheset samadhis...i never hankered > > > after them...they came as a result of intense sadhana.... > > > > > > there are two samadhis...another name for super-consciousness > > > > > > my guru is a master of yoga, he teaches and writes about > > > samadhis..they are real > > > > > > while yoga may not be your path you don't have to spread lies > about > > > somethng you know nothing about.... > > > > > > if you want to actually get *enlightened* you WILL lose you > thoughts, > > > not one will remain..... > > > > now stop dreaming and go back to who is getting pissed here. > > devi: i'll stop dreaming whenever i want....maybe you should stop > telling me what to do. (center stage) Two of the characters square off....fists held high.......staring into each other's I-s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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