Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste,IMHO, > > What most people prefer is sentimental emotion, attachment or > Pollyanna--get the video. > > Mostly it is the ego enjoying something, with the occasional > selflessness. > > Real Love is an energy, it is the energy of creation, and we put our > own colour on it. Fear and Excitement are the same energy. Kundalini > in a temple and the enthusiasm of a football crowd are the same thing. > > Ultimately Love is Savikalpa Samandhi and is therefore unreal. Nirguna > knows no 'Love' as such..........ONS..Tony. -=================================== OM The mind is what it thinks. And thus the words: " Ultimately Love is Savikalpa Samandhi and is therefore unreal. " =-= The Supreme Comedy is that Samadhi, the non-duality LOVE, is ABSOLUTELY the only thing that is REAL -- everything else is unreal, just thoughts, the mind, like your word " savikalpa. " And if you think that Kundalini is the same thing as the " enthusiasm of a football crowd " then you have, obviously, never laughed at the thought of death. And you don't know what it is like to await death, laughing, and with arms wide open. This unfathomable laughter and JOY is KUNDALINI. And it was the same exact Kundalini (Christian " holy spirit " ) that pickled a prince's brain to turn him into the abject indigent called Buddha. And it will take a long day in hell before the " enthusiasm of a football crowd " will pickle someone's mind and turn him into a Buddha. And this is not " my " opinion – because there is no " I " that can have an opinion. The only Reality is the Self that plays hide and seek with all the roles of imaginary " I " s and " you " s. This LOVE you are, but only because I AM gp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> > wrote: > > Namaste,IMHO, > > > > What most people prefer is sentimental emotion, attachment or > > Pollyanna--get the video. > > > > Mostly it is the ego enjoying something, with the occasional > > selflessness. > > > > Real Love is an energy, it is the energy of creation, and we put > our > > own colour on it. Fear and Excitement are the same energy. > Kundalini > > in a temple and the enthusiasm of a football crowd are the same > thing. > > > > Ultimately Love is Savikalpa Samandhi and is therefore unreal. > Nirguna > > knows no 'Love' as such..........ONS..Tony. > -=================================== > > > OM > The mind is what it thinks. > And thus the words: > " Ultimately Love is Savikalpa Samandhi and is therefore unreal. " > =-= > The Supreme Comedy is that Samadhi, the non-duality LOVE, is > ABSOLUTELY the only thing that is REAL -- everything else is unreal, > just thoughts, the mind, like your word " savikalpa. " > > And if you think that Kundalini is the same thing as the " enthusiasm > of a football crowd " then you have, obviously, never laughed at the > thought of death. And you don't know what it is like to await death, > laughing, and with arms wide open. This unfathomable laughter and JOY > is KUNDALINI. > > And it was the same exact Kundalini (Christian " holy spirit " ) that > pickled a prince's brain to turn him into the abject indigent called > Buddha. > > And it will take a long day in hell before the " enthusiasm of a > football crowd " will pickle someone's mind and turn him into a > Buddha. > > And this is not " my " opinion – because there is no " I " that can have > an opinion. The only Reality is the Self that plays hide and seek > with all the roles of imaginary " I " s and " you " s. > > This LOVE you are, but only because I AM > gp Namaste GP, I have noticed that you prefer the Saguna Concept and that's alright but it isn't the ultimate Nirguna is. Kundalini is just another word for the Universal Mind or the original non happening. There is only prana and karma in this illusion therefore Kundalini and the energy at the football crowd are just aspects of the same thing. Buddha would never have purified his Buddhi without sadhana and a purified vijnanamayakosa. What people call K-Activity is just the movement of prana in a cleansing fashion. The dirtier the sheath the more the activity. In the end Buddha used a Vipassana type meditation to achieve realisation of Nir Vana.........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> > wrote: > > Namaste,IMHO, > > > > What most people prefer is sentimental emotion, attachment or > > Pollyanna--get the video. > > > > Mostly it is the ego enjoying something, with the occasional > > selflessness. > > > > Real Love is an energy, it is the energy of creation, and we put > our > > own colour on it. Fear and Excitement are the same energy. > Kundalini > > in a temple and the enthusiasm of a football crowd are the same > thing. > > > > Ultimately Love is Savikalpa Samandhi and is therefore unreal. > Nirguna > > knows no 'Love' as such..........ONS..Tony. > -=================================== > > > OM > The mind is what it thinks. > And thus the words: > " Ultimately Love is Savikalpa Samandhi and is therefore unreal. " > =-= > The Supreme Comedy is that Samadhi, the non-duality LOVE, is > ABSOLUTELY the only thing that is REAL -- everything else is unreal, > just thoughts, the mind, like your word " savikalpa. " > > And if you think that Kundalini is the same thing as the " enthusiasm > of a football crowd " then you have, obviously, never laughed at the > thought of death. And you don't know what it is like to await death, > laughing, and with arms wide open. This unfathomable laughter and JOY > is KUNDALINI. > > And it was the same exact Kundalini (Christian " holy spirit " ) that > pickled a prince's brain to turn him into the abject indigent called > Buddha. > > And it will take a long day in hell before the " enthusiasm of a > football crowd " will pickle someone's mind and turn him into a > Buddha. > > And this is not " my " opinion – because there is no " I " that can have > an opinion. The only Reality is the Self that plays hide and seek > with all the roles of imaginary " I " s and " you " s. > > This LOVE you are, but only because I AM > gp Namaste GP, I have noticed that you prefer the Saguna Concept and that's alright but it isn't the ultimate Nirguna is. Kundalini is just another word for the Universal Mind or the original non happening. There is only prana and karma in this illusion therefore Kundalini and the energy at the football crowd are just aspects of the same thing. Buddha would never have purified his Buddhi without sadhana and a purified vijnanamayakosa. What people call K-Activity is just the movement of prana in a cleansing fashion. The dirtier the sheath the more the activity. In the end Buddha used a Vipassana type meditation to achieve realisation of Nir Vana.........ONS..Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 OM Tony – If " we " are going to communicate what do we have to take for granted? The imaginary ego called " I " takes Advaita for granted and it tells me that there is no doer. The only Reality is Self, that is the beyond-name-and-form Samadhi. Everything else is complete and unadulterated flagrant fiction. I keep hearing all this unfathomable bullshit about " cleansing " and purification and .. god know what – BUT THERE IS NO DOER THAT CAN get dirty to be purified, OR PRACTICE some sort of voodoo MUMBO JUMBO FOR THE SAKE OF being saved – from being a doer, when there is no doer. There is no doer that can get dirty to get clean – it is all the mind playing games with itself. And, again, this is not " my " opinion for there is no " I " that can have an opinion. This is all just part of the dream, fiction , the Joy of entertainment called maya, life. the LOVE that all is gp Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> > > wrote: > > > Namaste,IMHO, > > > > > > What most people prefer is sentimental emotion, attachment or > > > Pollyanna--get the video. > > > > > > Mostly it is the ego enjoying something, with the occasional > > > selflessness. > > > > > > Real Love is an energy, it is the energy of creation, and we put > > our > > > own colour on it. Fear and Excitement are the same energy. > > Kundalini > > > in a temple and the enthusiasm of a football crowd are the same > > thing. > > > > > > Ultimately Love is Savikalpa Samandhi and is therefore unreal. > > Nirguna > > > knows no 'Love' as such..........ONS..Tony. > > -=================================== > > > > > > OM > > The mind is what it thinks. > > And thus the words: > > " Ultimately Love is Savikalpa Samandhi and is therefore unreal. " > > =-= > > The Supreme Comedy is that Samadhi, the non-duality LOVE, is > > ABSOLUTELY the only thing that is REAL -- everything else is > unreal, > > just thoughts, the mind, like your word " savikalpa. " > > > > And if you think that Kundalini is the same thing as > the " enthusiasm > > of a football crowd " then you have, obviously, never laughed at > the > > thought of death. And you don't know what it is like to await > death, > > laughing, and with arms wide open. This unfathomable laughter and > JOY > > is KUNDALINI. > > > > And it was the same exact Kundalini (Christian " holy spirit " ) > that > > pickled a prince's brain to turn him into the abject indigent > called > > Buddha. > > > > And it will take a long day in hell before the " enthusiasm of a > > football crowd " will pickle someone's mind and turn him into a > > Buddha. > > > > And this is not " my " opinion – because there is no " I " that can > have > > an opinion. The only Reality is the Self that plays hide and seek > > with all the roles of imaginary " I " s and " you " s. > > > > This LOVE you are, but only because I AM > > gp > > Namaste GP, > > I have noticed that you prefer the Saguna Concept and that's alright > but it isn't the ultimate Nirguna is. Kundalini is just another word > for the Universal Mind or the original non happening. There is only > prana and karma in this illusion therefore Kundalini and the energy > at the football crowd are just aspects of the same thing. > > Buddha would never have purified his Buddhi without sadhana and a > purified vijnanamayakosa. What people call K-Activity is just the > movement of prana in a cleansing fashion. The dirtier the sheath the > more the activity. In the end Buddha used a Vipassana type > meditation to achieve realisation of Nir Vana.........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > OM Tony – > If " we " are going to communicate what do we have to take for > granted? > > The imaginary ego called " I " takes Advaita for granted and it tells > me that there is no doer. The only Reality is Self, that is the > beyond-name-and-form Samadhi. Everything else is complete and > unadulterated flagrant fiction. > > I keep hearing all this unfathomable bullshit about " cleansing " and > purification and .. god know what – BUT THERE IS NO DOER THAT CAN get > dirty to be purified, OR PRACTICE some sort of voodoo MUMBO JUMBO > FOR THE SAKE OF being saved – from being a doer, when there is no > doer. > > There is no doer that can get dirty to get clean – it is all the > mind playing games with itself. > > And, again, this is not " my " opinion for there is no " I " that can > have an opinion. This is all just part of the dream, fiction , the > Joy of entertainment called maya, life. > > the LOVE that all is > gp Namaste GP, Ultimately that is true. However to achieve a full realisation it seems, according to the Sages, that a purified Vijnanamayakosa is required. For samskaras and vasanas will hold one back so to speak. The Vedantic scriptures indicate that a worshipper of Saguna Brahman doesn't proceed to Nirguna but to a higher state of consciousness or Brahmaloka. The Jiva would stay in this heaven state until pralaya, where it would be subsumed and not emerge in the next projection of the universes. The final thought of devotion being destroyed. And the final truth is there---that it never ever happened.....IMHO...ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > OM Tony – > If " we " are going to communicate what do we have to take for > granted? > > The imaginary ego called " I " takes Advaita for granted and it tells > me that there is no doer. The only Reality is Self, that is the > beyond-name-and-form Samadhi. Everything else is complete and > unadulterated flagrant fiction. > > I keep hearing all this unfathomable bullshit about " cleansing " and > purification and .. god know what – BUT THERE IS NO DOER THAT CAN get > dirty to be purified, OR PRACTICE some sort of voodoo MUMBO JUMBO > FOR THE SAKE OF being saved – from being a doer, when there is no > doer. > > There is no doer that can get dirty to get clean – it is all the > mind playing games with itself. > > And, again, this is not " my " opinion for there is no " I " that can > have an opinion. This is all just part of the dream, fiction , the > Joy of entertainment called maya, life. > > the LOVE that all is > gp Namaste GP, Ultimately that is true. However to achieve a full realisation it seems, according to the Sages, that a purified Vijnanamayakosa is required. For samskaras and vasanas will hold one back so to speak. The Vedantic scriptures indicate that a worshipper of Saguna Brahman doesn't proceed to Nirguna but to a higher state of consciousness or Brahmaloka. The Jiva would stay in this heaven state until pralaya, where it would be subsumed and not emerge in the next projection of the universes. The final thought of devotion being destroyed. And the final truth is there---that it never ever happened.....IMHO...ONS...Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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