Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 > > GP: And I need no sages (Jesuits or Vedanitc gurus) to tell the imaginary > > me that if a murderer or rapist or terrorist is Aware that the Self > > is playing its role perfectly then such a criminal is just as Awake > > as was Buddha, Jesus and Ramana. > > > > P: But pray tell, loving Gene, how do you reconcile the above with > the Self=love? Could the Self be into SM? It would seem so, if > it were conscious and responsible for its actions. If suicide > bombers, and GB, and BTK are equally the SELF, we must > either conclude the Self doesn't know what goes on, or > it's not all that loving. Let's talk evil vs. love, if you are game. > > PS. Are you related to the Pelota who discovered the > Pelota gene? *** >Hey, Pete: Why do bad things happen to good people, eh? Oh, boy... here come the >theologians... fuzzie **** P: Indeed! Why? If there was a plan, or planner for life, why abandon the protophage feeding model of plants (which manufacture nutrients from sunlight, water and soil) in favor of the autophage in which animals feed on animals, and then evolve consciousness and pain to really rub it in. Doesn't this plan sounds a bit sadistic/masochistic? Why make animals so frail in a planet with so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound too loving to me! So, love is just a human emotion, like anger and hate. And no liberated human brain will murder, or rape, that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a dreamlike act, and is not consistent with being fully awaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > GP: And I need no sages (Jesuits or Vedanitc gurus) to tell the > imaginary > > > me that if a murderer or rapist or terrorist is Aware that the Self > > > is playing its role perfectly then such a criminal is just as Awake > > > as was Buddha, Jesus and Ramana. > > > > > > > P: But pray tell, loving Gene, how do you reconcile the above with > > the Self=love? Could the Self be into SM? It would seem so, if > > it were conscious and responsible for its actions. If suicide > > bombers, and GB, and BTK are equally the SELF, we must > > either conclude the Self doesn't know what goes on, or > > it's not all that loving. Let's talk evil vs. love, if you are game. > > > > PS. Are you related to the Pelota who discovered the > > Pelota gene? > > *** > > >Hey, Pete: > > Why do bad things happen to good people, eh? Oh, boy... here come the > >theologians... > > > > fuzzie > > **** > > P: Indeed! Why? > > If there was a plan, or planner for life, > why abandon the protophage feeding model of > plants (which manufacture nutrients from > sunlight, water and soil) in favor of the > autophage in which animals feed on animals, > and then evolve consciousness and pain to > really rub it in. Doesn't this plan sounds a > bit sadistic/masochistic? There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. The " planner " is a concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life forms of every fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to evolve. There is no rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > being fully awaken. Why ask why? There is no one to be awakened or to be liberated. fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > GP: And I need no sages (Jesuits or Vedanitc gurus) to tell the > > imaginary > > > > me that if a murderer or rapist or terrorist is Aware that the Self > > > > is playing its role perfectly then such a criminal is just as Awake > > > > as was Buddha, Jesus and Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > P: But pray tell, loving Gene, how do you reconcile the above with > > > the Self=love? Could the Self be into SM? It would seem so, if > > > it were conscious and responsible for its actions. If suicide > > > bombers, and GB, and BTK are equally the SELF, we must > > > either conclude the Self doesn't know what goes on, or > > > it's not all that loving. Let's talk evil vs. love, if you are game. > > > > > > PS. Are you related to the Pelota who discovered the > > > Pelota gene? > > > > *** > > > > >Hey, Pete: > > > > Why do bad things happen to good people, eh? Oh, boy... here come the > > >theologians... > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > **** > > > > P: Indeed! Why? > > > > If there was a plan, or planner for life, > > why abandon the protophage feeding model of > > plants (which manufacture nutrients from > > sunlight, water and soil) in favor of the > > autophage in which animals feed on animals, > > and then evolve consciousness and pain to > > really rub it in. Doesn't this plan sounds a > > bit sadistic/masochistic? > > > There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. The " planner " is a > concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life forms of every > fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to evolve. There is no > rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. > > > > > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > > being fully awaken. > > > Why ask why? There is no one to be awakened or to be liberated. > > fuzzie devi: have you actually read any of nisargadattas teachings? what planet are you living on...is english your first language... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > GP: And I need no sages (Jesuits or Vedanitc gurus) to tell the > > > imaginary > > > > > me that if a murderer or rapist or terrorist is Aware that the > Self > > > > > is playing its role perfectly then such a criminal is just as > Awake > > > > > as was Buddha, Jesus and Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: But pray tell, loving Gene, how do you reconcile the above with > > > > the Self=love? Could the Self be into SM? It would seem so, if > > > > it were conscious and responsible for its actions. If suicide > > > > bombers, and GB, and BTK are equally the SELF, we must > > > > either conclude the Self doesn't know what goes on, or > > > > it's not all that loving. Let's talk evil vs. love, if you are game. > > > > > > > > PS. Are you related to the Pelota who discovered the > > > > Pelota gene? > > > > > > *** > > > > > > >Hey, Pete: > > > > > > Why do bad things happen to good people, eh? Oh, boy... here come the > > > >theologians... > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > **** > > > > > > P: Indeed! Why? > > > > > > If there was a plan, or planner for life, > > > why abandon the protophage feeding model of > > > plants (which manufacture nutrients from > > > sunlight, water and soil) in favor of the > > > autophage in which animals feed on animals, > > > and then evolve consciousness and pain to > > > really rub it in. Doesn't this plan sounds a > > > bit sadistic/masochistic? > > > > > > There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. The " planner " is a > > concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life forms of every > > fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to evolve. There is no > > rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. > > > > > > > > > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > > > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > > > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > > > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > > > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > > > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > > > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > > > being fully awaken. > > > > > > Why ask why? There is no one to be awakened or to be liberated. > > > > fuzzie > > devi: have you actually read any of nisargadattas teachings? what > planet are you living on...is english your first language... Who are you talking to? Are you an authority on Nisargadatta? What's up with the attitude? fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > GP: And I need no sages (Jesuits or Vedanitc gurus) to tell the > > > > imaginary > > > > > > me that if a murderer or rapist or terrorist is Aware that the > > Self > > > > > > is playing its role perfectly then such a criminal is just as > > Awake > > > > > > as was Buddha, Jesus and Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: But pray tell, loving Gene, how do you reconcile the above with > > > > > the Self=love? Could the Self be into SM? It would seem so, if > > > > > it were conscious and responsible for its actions. If suicide > > > > > bombers, and GB, and BTK are equally the SELF, we must > > > > > either conclude the Self doesn't know what goes on, or > > > > > it's not all that loving. Let's talk evil vs. love, if you are > game. > > > > > > > > > > PS. Are you related to the Pelota who discovered the > > > > > Pelota gene? > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > >Hey, Pete: > > > > > > > > Why do bad things happen to good people, eh? Oh, boy... here > come the > > > > >theologians... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > **** > > > > > > > > P: Indeed! Why? > > > > > > > > If there was a plan, or planner for life, > > > > why abandon the protophage feeding model of > > > > plants (which manufacture nutrients from > > > > sunlight, water and soil) in favor of the > > > > autophage in which animals feed on animals, > > > > and then evolve consciousness and pain to > > > > really rub it in. Doesn't this plan sounds a > > > > bit sadistic/masochistic? > > > > > > > > > There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. The " planner " is a > > > concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life forms of every > > > fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to evolve. There is no > > > rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > > > > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > > > > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > > > > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > > > > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > > > > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > > > > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > > > > being fully awaken. > > > > > > > > > Why ask why? There is no one to be awakened or to be liberated. > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > devi: have you actually read any of nisargadattas teachings? what > > planet are you living on...is english your first language... > > > > Who are you talking to? Are you an authority on Nisargadatta? What's > up with the attitude? > > fuzzie devi: no, but i have been reading I Am That for about two years on and off for pleasure....and he does not say there is no one to be awakened or to be liberated.....he encourages people to realize..... he says he realized.....when he was 38..... my guru wrote a commentary on patanjilies yoga sutras thats all about how to get realized... who is he writing to? i could point to some many teachings that say exactly the opposite of what your saying... so, whats up with telling people that there is no one to be awakened or liberated.... obviously thats your experience and it sound nice but realization....is a fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > GP: And I need no sages (Jesuits or Vedanitc gurus) to > tell the > > > > > imaginary > > > > > > > me that if a murderer or rapist or terrorist is Aware that the > > > Self > > > > > > > is playing its role perfectly then such a criminal is just as > > > Awake > > > > > > > as was Buddha, Jesus and Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: But pray tell, loving Gene, how do you reconcile the > above with > > > > > > the Self=love? Could the Self be into SM? It would seem so, if > > > > > > it were conscious and responsible for its actions. If suicide > > > > > > bombers, and GB, and BTK are equally the SELF, we must > > > > > > either conclude the Self doesn't know what goes on, or > > > > > > it's not all that loving. Let's talk evil vs. love, if you are > > game. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS. Are you related to the Pelota who discovered the > > > > > > Pelota gene? > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > >Hey, Pete: > > > > > > > > > > Why do bad things happen to good people, eh? Oh, boy... here > > come the > > > > > >theologians... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > P: Indeed! Why? > > > > > > > > > > If there was a plan, or planner for life, > > > > > why abandon the protophage feeding model of > > > > > plants (which manufacture nutrients from > > > > > sunlight, water and soil) in favor of the > > > > > autophage in which animals feed on animals, > > > > > and then evolve consciousness and pain to > > > > > really rub it in. Doesn't this plan sounds a > > > > > bit sadistic/masochistic? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. The " planner " is a > > > > concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life forms of every > > > > fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to evolve. There > is no > > > > rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > > > > > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > > > > > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > > > > > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > > > > > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > > > > > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > > > > > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > > > > > being fully awaken. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why ask why? There is no one to be awakened or to be liberated. > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > devi: have you actually read any of nisargadattas teachings? what > > > planet are you living on...is english your first language... > > > > > > > > Who are you talking to? Are you an authority on Nisargadatta? What's > > up with the attitude? > > > > fuzzie > > devi: no, but i have been reading I Am That for about two years on and > off for pleasure....and he does not say there is no one to be awakened > or to be liberated.....he encourages people to realize..... > > he says he realized.....when he was 38..... > > my guru wrote a commentary on patanjilies yoga sutras thats all about > how to get realized... > > who is he writing to? > > > i could point to some many teachings that say exactly the opposite of > what your saying... > > so, whats up with telling people that there is no one to be awakened > or liberated.... > > obviously thats your experience and it sound nice but > > realization....is a fact Then, realize it and cut loose the " holier than thou " bullshit. I don't care how many books you've read. Anybody can read books and parrot back what others have thought. All religious fanatics do that, whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever. They all disagree with each other because they all point to their own respective texts and then start putting the other down and go to war and all that insanity. Put your holy books and teachings and your other crutches down and find out for yourself. Don't feed on the dregs of other people's thoughts. Realize for yourself. Stand alone. Realization is realizing there's no you to realize anything. " In Reality there is neither guru nor disciple, neither theory nor practice, neither ignorance nor realization. " ~ Sri Nisragadatta Maharaj fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 > > Then, realize it and cut loose the " holier than thou " bullshit. > > I don't care how many books you've read. Anybody can read books and > parrot back what others have thought. All religious fanatics do that, > whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever. They all disagree with > each other because they all point to their own respective texts and > then start putting the other down and go to war and all that insanity. > > Put your holy books and teachings and your other crutches down and > find out for yourself. Don't feed on the dregs of other people's > thoughts. Realize for yourself. Stand alone. ..........right out there.............in the middle of the stage...........sans books...,,,,,.naked...................with no thoughts. yeah......that otta do it............ .........maybe then..... the make believe character that you have become identified with will see its own emptiness ...............and transcend the stage ............or sumthin, Who knows? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > Then, realize it and cut loose the " holier than thou " bullshit. > > > > I don't care how many books you've read. Anybody can read books and > > parrot back what others have thought. All religious fanatics do that, > > whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever. They all disagree with > > each other because they all point to their own respective texts and > > then start putting the other down and go to war and all that insanity. > > > > Put your holy books and teachings and your other crutches down and > > find out for yourself. Don't feed on the dregs of other people's > > thoughts. Realize for yourself. Stand alone. > > > > > .........right out there.............in the middle of the stage...........sans > books...,,,,,.naked...................with no thoughts. > > > > > > yeah......that otta do it............ > > > > > ........maybe then..... the make believe character that you have become identified with will > see its own emptiness ...............and transcend the stage ............or sumthin, > > > > Who knows? > > Maybe you will become the very first character to become realized......an enlightened nothingness........... Gosh.....that's exciting.....isn' it? > > toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > Then, realize it and cut loose the " holier than thou " bullshit. > > > > I don't care how many books you've read. Anybody can read books and > > parrot back what others have thought. All religious fanatics do that, > > whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever. They all disagree with > > each other because they all point to their own respective texts and > > then start putting the other down and go to war and all that insanity. > > > > Put your holy books and teachings and your other crutches down and > > find out for yourself. Don't feed on the dregs of other people's > > thoughts. Realize for yourself. Stand alone. > > > > > .........right out there.............in the middle of the stage...........sans > books...,,,,,.naked...................with no thoughts. > > > > > > yeah......that otta do it............ > > > > > ........maybe then..... the make believe character that you have become identified with will > see its own emptiness ...............and transcend the stage .............or sumthin, > > > > Who knows? > > > > toombaru No one ever realizes anything. What the hell was I thinking, Toombaru??? fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Then, realize it and cut loose the " holier than thou " bullshit. > > > > > > I don't care how many books you've read. Anybody can read books and > > > parrot back what others have thought. All religious fanatics do that, > > > whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever. They all disagree with > > > each other because they all point to their own respective texts and > > > then start putting the other down and go to war and all that > insanity. > > > > > > Put your holy books and teachings and your other crutches down and > > > find out for yourself. Don't feed on the dregs of other people's > > > thoughts. Realize for yourself. Stand alone. > > > > > > > > > > .........right out there.............in the middle of the > stage...........sans > > books...,,,,,.naked...................with no thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah......that otta do it............ > > > > > > > > > > ........maybe then..... the make believe character that you have > become identified with will > > see its own emptiness ...............and transcend the stage > ............or sumthin, > > > > > > > > Who knows? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > No one ever realizes anything. What the hell was I thinking, Toombaru??? > > > > fuzzie Actually.......fuzzie........You weren't thinking.............. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > > wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > GP: And I need no sages (Jesuits or Vedanitc gurus) to > > tell the > > > > > > imaginary > > > > > > > > me that if a murderer or rapist or terrorist is Aware > that the > > > > Self > > > > > > > > is playing its role perfectly then such a criminal is > just as > > > > Awake > > > > > > > > as was Buddha, Jesus and Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: But pray tell, loving Gene, how do you reconcile the > > above with > > > > > > > the Self=love? Could the Self be into SM? It would seem so, if > > > > > > > it were conscious and responsible for its actions. If suicide > > > > > > > bombers, and GB, and BTK are equally the SELF, we must > > > > > > > either conclude the Self doesn't know what goes on, or > > > > > > > it's not all that loving. Let's talk evil vs. love, if you are > > > game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS. Are you related to the Pelota who discovered the > > > > > > > Pelota gene? > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hey, Pete: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do bad things happen to good people, eh? Oh, boy... here > > > come the > > > > > > >theologians... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Indeed! Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a plan, or planner for life, > > > > > > why abandon the protophage feeding model of > > > > > > plants (which manufacture nutrients from > > > > > > sunlight, water and soil) in favor of the > > > > > > autophage in which animals feed on animals, > > > > > > and then evolve consciousness and pain to > > > > > > really rub it in. Doesn't this plan sounds a > > > > > > bit sadistic/masochistic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. The > " planner " is a > > > > > concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life forms of > every > > > > > fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to evolve. There > > is no > > > > > rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > > > > > > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > > > > > > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > > > > > > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > > > > > > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > > > > > > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > > > > > > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > > > > > > being fully awaken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why ask why? There is no one to be awakened or to be liberated. > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > devi: have you actually read any of nisargadattas teachings? what > > > > planet are you living on...is english your first language... > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you talking to? Are you an authority on Nisargadatta? What's > > > up with the attitude? > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > devi: no, but i have been reading I Am That for about two years on and > > off for pleasure....and he does not say there is no one to be awakened > > or to be liberated.....he encourages people to realize..... > > > > he says he realized.....when he was 38..... > > > > my guru wrote a commentary on patanjilies yoga sutras thats all about > > how to get realized... > > > > who is he writing to? > > > > > > i could point to some many teachings that say exactly the opposite of > > what your saying... > > > > so, whats up with telling people that there is no one to be awakened > > or liberated.... > > > > obviously thats your experience and it sound nice but > > > > realization....is a fact > > > Then, realize it and cut loose the " holier than thou " bullshit. > > I don't care how many books you've read. Anybody can read books and > parrot back what others have thought. All religious fanatics do that, > whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever. They all disagree with > each other because they all point to their own respective texts and > then start putting the other down and go to war and all that insanity. > > Put your holy books and teachings and your other crutches down and > find out for yourself. Don't feed on the dregs of other people's > thoughts. Realize for yourself. Stand alone. Realization is realizing > there's no you to realize anything. > > " In Reality there is neither guru nor disciple, neither theory nor > practice, neither ignorance nor realization. " > > ~ Sri Nisragadatta Maharaj > > fuzzie devi: your not to bright for someone who is enlightened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > <fuzzie_wuz> > > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " > <polansky@m...> > > wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > <fuzzie_wuz> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > GP: And I need no sages (Jesuits or Vedanitc gurus) > to > > > tell the > > > > > > > imaginary > > > > > > > > > me that if a murderer or rapist or terrorist is Aware > > that the > > > > > Self > > > > > > > > > is playing its role perfectly then such a criminal is > > just as > > > > > Awake > > > > > > > > > as was Buddha, Jesus and Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: But pray tell, loving Gene, how do you reconcile the > > > above with > > > > > > > > the Self=love? Could the Self be into SM? It would > seem so, if > > > > > > > > it were conscious and responsible for its actions. If > suicide > > > > > > > > bombers, and GB, and BTK are equally the SELF, we must > > > > > > > > either conclude the Self doesn't know what goes on, or > > > > > > > > it's not all that loving. Let's talk evil vs. love, if > you are > > > > game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS. Are you related to the Pelota who discovered the > > > > > > > > Pelota gene? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hey, Pete: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do bad things happen to good people, eh? Oh, boy... > here > > > > come the > > > > > > > >theologians... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Indeed! Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a plan, or planner for life, > > > > > > > why abandon the protophage feeding model of > > > > > > > plants (which manufacture nutrients from > > > > > > > sunlight, water and soil) in favor of the > > > > > > > autophage in which animals feed on animals, > > > > > > > and then evolve consciousness and pain to > > > > > > > really rub it in. Doesn't this plan sounds a > > > > > > > bit sadistic/masochistic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. The > > " planner " is a > > > > > > concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life > forms of > > every > > > > > > fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to evolve. > There > > > is no > > > > > > rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > > > > > > > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > > > > > > > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > > > > > > > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > > > > > > > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > > > > > > > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > > > > > > > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > > > > > > > being fully awaken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why ask why? There is no one to be awakened or to be > liberated. > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > devi: have you actually read any of nisargadattas teachings? > what > > > > > planet are you living on...is english your first language... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you talking to? Are you an authority on Nisargadatta? > What's > > > > up with the attitude? > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > devi: no, but i have been reading I Am That for about two years > on and > > > off for pleasure....and he does not say there is no one to be > awakened > > > or to be liberated.....he encourages people to realize..... > > > > > > he says he realized.....when he was 38..... > > > > > > my guru wrote a commentary on patanjilies yoga sutras thats all > about > > > how to get realized... > > > > > > who is he writing to? > > > > > > > > > i could point to some many teachings that say exactly the > opposite of > > > what your saying... > > > > > > so, whats up with telling people that there is no one to be > awakened > > > or liberated.... > > > > > > obviously thats your experience and it sound nice but > > > > > > realization....is a fact > > > > > > Then, realize it and cut loose the " holier than thou " bullshit. > > > > > > I don't care how many books you've read. Anybody can read books and > > parrot back what others have thought. All religious fanatics do > that, > > whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever. They all disagree > with > > each other because they all point to their own respective texts and > > then start putting the other down and go to war and all that > insanity. > > > > Put your holy books and teachings and your other crutches down and > > find out for yourself. Don't feed on the dregs of other people's > > thoughts. Realize for yourself. Stand alone. Realization is > realizing > > there's no you to realize anything. > > > > " In Reality there is neither guru nor disciple, neither theory nor > > practice, neither ignorance nor realization. " > > > > ~ Sri Nisragadatta Maharaj > > > > fuzzie > > devi: your not to bright for someone who is enlightened only a bigger fool calls a lessor fool stupid -- Buddha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > > <fuzzie_wuz> > > > wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " > > <polansky@m...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > > <fuzzie_wuz> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > GP: And I need no sages (Jesuits or Vedanitc > gurus) > > to > > > > tell the > > > > > > > > imaginary > > > > > > > > > > me that if a murderer or rapist or terrorist is > Aware > > > that the > > > > > > Self > > > > > > > > > > is playing its role perfectly then such a criminal > is > > > just as > > > > > > Awake > > > > > > > > > > as was Buddha, Jesus and Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: But pray tell, loving Gene, how do you reconcile > the > > > > above with > > > > > > > > > the Self=love? Could the Self be into SM? It would > > seem so, if > > > > > > > > > it were conscious and responsible for its actions. If > > suicide > > > > > > > > > bombers, and GB, and BTK are equally the SELF, we must > > > > > > > > > either conclude the Self doesn't know what goes on, or > > > > > > > > > it's not all that loving. Let's talk evil vs. love, > if > > you are > > > > > game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS. Are you related to the Pelota who discovered the > > > > > > > > > Pelota gene? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hey, Pete: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do bad things happen to good people, eh? Oh, boy... > > here > > > > > come the > > > > > > > > >theologians... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Indeed! Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a plan, or planner for life, > > > > > > > > why abandon the protophage feeding model of > > > > > > > > plants (which manufacture nutrients from > > > > > > > > sunlight, water and soil) in favor of the > > > > > > > > autophage in which animals feed on animals, > > > > > > > > and then evolve consciousness and pain to > > > > > > > > really rub it in. Doesn't this plan sounds a > > > > > > > > bit sadistic/masochistic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. The > > > " planner " is a > > > > > > > concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life > > forms of > > > every > > > > > > > fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to > evolve. > > There > > > > is no > > > > > > > rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > > > > > > > > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > > > > > > > > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > > > > > > > > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > > > > > > > > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > > > > > > > > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > > > > > > > > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > > > > > > > > being fully awaken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why ask why? There is no one to be awakened or to be > > liberated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: have you actually read any of nisargadattas > teachings? > > what > > > > > > planet are you living on...is english your first language... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you talking to? Are you an authority on Nisargadatta? > > What's > > > > > up with the attitude? > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > devi: no, but i have been reading I Am That for about two years > > on and > > > > off for pleasure....and he does not say there is no one to be > > awakened > > > > or to be liberated.....he encourages people to realize..... > > > > > > > > he says he realized.....when he was 38..... > > > > > > > > my guru wrote a commentary on patanjilies yoga sutras thats all > > about > > > > how to get realized... > > > > > > > > who is he writing to? > > > > > > > > > > > > i could point to some many teachings that say exactly the > > opposite of > > > > what your saying... > > > > > > > > so, whats up with telling people that there is no one to be > > awakened > > > > or liberated.... > > > > > > > > obviously thats your experience and it sound nice but > > > > > > > > realization....is a fact > > > > > > > > > Then, realize it and cut loose the " holier than thou " bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > I don't care how many books you've read. Anybody can read books > and > > > parrot back what others have thought. All religious fanatics do > > that, > > > whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever. They all disagree > > with > > > each other because they all point to their own respective texts > and > > > then start putting the other down and go to war and all that > > insanity. > > > > > > Put your holy books and teachings and your other crutches down and > > > find out for yourself. Don't feed on the dregs of other people's > > > thoughts. Realize for yourself. Stand alone. Realization is > > realizing > > > there's no you to realize anything. > > > > > > " In Reality there is neither guru nor disciple, neither theory nor > > > practice, neither ignorance nor realization. " > > > > > > ~ Sri Nisragadatta Maharaj > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > devi: your not to bright for someone who is enlightened > > only a bigger fool calls a lessor fool stupid > > -- Buddha good thing i'm not a fool, fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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