Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 F: There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. The " planner " is a concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life forms of every fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to evolve. There is no rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. P: Exactly! > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > being fully awaken. F:Why ask why? P: To play ball with pelota. You know Pelota means ball both in Spanish and Italian. But Pelota has not shown any balls, so far. He is sticking with the standards concepts like the one you favore us with below. Did you think that anyone here had yet to hear that one? F: There is no one to be awakened or to be liberated. fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > F: There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. The " planner " is a > concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life forms of every > fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to evolve. There is no > rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. > > P: Exactly! > > > > > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > > being fully awaken. > > > F:Why ask why? > > P: To play ball with pelota. You know Pelota means ball > both in Spanish and Italian. But Pelota has not shown > any balls, so far. He is sticking with the standards concepts > like the one you favore us with below. Did you think that anyone > here had yet to hear that one? Who is here? fuzzie > F: There is no one to be awakened or to be liberated. > > > > fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > F: There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. The " planner " is a > > concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life forms of every > > fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to evolve. There is no > > rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. > > > > P: Exactly! > > > > > > > > > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > > > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > > > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > > > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > > > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > > > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > > > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > > > being fully awaken. Namaste, A good enough pointer for this creation never having ever happened is the animals. What kind of 'God' would put them through so much pain for his own amusement or whatever. Balance would be achieved differently, or anyway this 'God' wanted. Even in illusion there is no 'God' doing anything but providing the fuel the energy. Everything is prana and karma and there is no retributive karma for animals. That is why praying is only a self calming procedure; unless one is praying to a Spirit, Saint or Deva, then perhaps there may be some argument for some intervention in some way? If even at the mental level. So either this is total illusion or God is a cruel, vindictive, unintelligent super spirit and a bad manager to boot. In illusion this is obviously a hell plane, and built on chaos and seemingly random events, due to karma or action and reaction. There is no Sakti, or Goddess or anything to help anyone. 'God' only helps those that help themselves, so as an aid, the idea or concept of an interfering God is superflous. It disappears in Samadhi, Deep Sleep and bodiless moksha so it never ever happened. No 'God' but Nir Guna.............ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > F: There is no " planner for life. " It is what it is. > The " planner " is a > > > concoction of imagination. There are a myriad of life forms of > every > > > fashion. Some have come and gone. Some have yet to evolve. There > is no > > > rhyme or reason. It is life and life only. > > > > > > P: Exactly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why make animals so frail in a planet with > > > > so much natural disasters? Doesn't sound > > > > too loving to me! So, love is just a human > > > > emotion, like anger and hate. And no > > > > liberated human brain will murder, or rape, > > > > that idea is just bullshit. Cruelty is a > > > > dreamlike act, and is not consistent with > > > > being fully awaken. > > Namaste, > > A good enough pointer for this creation never having ever happened > is the animals. > > What kind of 'God' would put them through so much pain for his own > amusement or whatever. Balance would be achieved differently, or > anyway this 'God' wanted. Even in illusion there is no 'God' doing > anything but providing the fuel the energy. Everything is prana and > karma and there is no retributive karma for animals. > > That is why praying is only a self calming procedure; unless one is > praying to a Spirit, Saint or Deva, then perhaps there may be some > argument for some intervention in some way? If even at the mental > level. > > So either this is total illusion or God is a cruel, vindictive, > unintelligent super spirit and a bad manager to boot. > > In illusion this is obviously a hell plane, and built on chaos and > seemingly random events, due to karma or action and reaction. > > There is no Sakti, or Goddess or anything to help anyone. > > 'God' only helps those that help themselves, so as an aid, the idea > or concept of an interfering God is superflous. > > It disappears in Samadhi, Deep Sleep and bodiless moksha so it never > ever happened. No 'God' but Nir Guna.............ONS..Tony. It's all just conditioning. People are conditioned to believe various things and so it is. They have visions of Mary and Jesus in the West. Visions of Maitreya and Bodhisattvas in the East. Visions of Paradise in the Muslim World. And so on and so forth. Whatever you're programmed to believe, that is what you see. In fact, it's all make believe. You and I are make believe. It's all like a movie, like a dream. All kinds of life forms filtering consciousness through an infinite assortment of body/mind complexes. There is no one doing this. It does itself. fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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