Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Dear GP, Extracting from your message: 'all " you " (the imaginary-doer, that is just another word for LOVE) have to do is learn this language of LOVE that will take you to a JOY and Laughter – an Ecstasy - that is far, far beyond your wildest and wackiest of dreams .' How does " one " learn this language? Love, Tapan =-=-= OM Tapan -- cut -- =-= Dear GP, Thank you, some understanding about your concept of Love arises through reading this message. How would you respond to the contradiction of the imaginary (non) doer having to " do " something i.e. learn this language of love? Love, Tapan =-======================================= OM Tapan Excellent question that my mind asks in your name. It's all just a game of words in which the mind is dreaming that it is awake. The subject, verb and object of this dream, game-joke is the same, the mind. But most minds don't know it. Most minds don't get this joke, game. Most minds are dreaming that they are awake. This is the joke, game. The simple answer to my (your) question: Whatever the mind thinks let it think and then sit back and be Entertained. This detachment of the observer from its observations, the detachment of the dreamer from its dream, is more or less the Self verbalized into JOY, Entertainment. If the mind thinks it can control its thoughts then let it control its thoughts to learn a new language called LOVE. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. Give your mind all the rope it wants and let it do the impossible. It is impossible because if learning a language is not written into the Movie called maya then there is nothing the mind can do to learn it. If the language is written into maya then there is nothing that mind can do not to learn it. That is the game, the Joke. Let the mind think it can control what cannot be controlled and ENJOY being the SELF, as " it " enjoys the show the mind performs as it tries to do the impossible. That is what Krishna was telling Arjuna – you have no choice in the slaughter – so go do what has to be done (because it has already been done.) And if you have to do your duty, then you can enjoy it with reckless abandon because there is no doer that is doing anything. (It's all just a dream, maya.) This enjoyment/detachment is the Self, verbalized. If the mind thinks it can understand Advaita then let it understand the not-two non-doer of Advaita. The Joke, again, is that there is nothing to understand – it is that simple. SO simple in fact that there is no mind simple enough to understand it. That again is the game/joke. In fact from all directions it, this dream called maya, has to be a game/joke. So if the mind thinks it can understand the simplicity of Nothing then sit back and be entertained as it tries to do the impossible and understand the Nothing that is literally Everything, the Self. Again, the same joke, game: understanding the Reality that is the Nothing that is Everything. The Joke is even more simple than that: the mind thinks it is thinking but it cannot think. If the mind could think then it would be a separate doer from the Self. There is no doer. The mind is the thoughts and not any process of thoughts. Thoughts come out of Nothing to return into Nothing to be Nothing – thinking is just the imaginary control of these thoughts. This thinking – the process of controlling thoughts -- is in fact the illusion, fiction, called maya. This illusion is like thinking that there is continuity in a movie when the movie is just made up of lots of separate pictures that appear to be continuous. Again, it is all the same dream, game, Joke. When " I " can detach myself from my mind, and its body, and observe the mind and its body go through the motions of maya then life, maya, turns into the JOY of dreaming. This JOY is the verbalized-Self. This non-dualistic JOY of dreaming, entertainment, is the Self – but only because it is non-dualistic. The JOY of entertainment in a tragedy and comedy is the same – just entertainment, there is no duality. Think about a movie. I go see a tragedy for the same reason I see a comedy: entertainment. The difference between crying and laughing is just the mind. That is why I can cry with Joy because they are the same. Imaginary dualities are needed in entertainment for the karma, friction, turmoil, without which there would be no entertainment. When the imaginary-doer is detached from thoughts and actions to become an Observer then it is just the JOY of the verbalized-Self. The Self obviously has no roles to play because it is playing all the roles on the Movie-screen, which it is, for its movie called maya, life. Again the same dream, joke-game: the Self has no roles to play because it is playing all the roles. So the answer to " imaginary (non) doer having to " do " something " – If my mind knows that life is but a dream then " I " am Awake and life is just my dream. If my mind does not know it is dreaming then I will let it do all it wants and JUST enjoy the SHOW, the movie called maya. And if " I " cannot detach myself from the thoughts called mind then that is because my role in maya is to generate karma that maya needs to be entertaining. =-= But I must understand this: Since the Self is playing all the roles of saints and sinners THERE CANNOT BE ANY LOSERS IN THIS GAME OF MAYA – there can only be winners, the same Self. And so when thoughts die then all the imaginary doers become-are the same Self that is an ocean of such unfathomable JOY that is makes the universe into not even an imaginary drop. So I can forget about reincarnation and its heavens and hells, and guilt and shame, because they are just a part of the imaginary dualities maya needs to be entertaining. =-= My mind can think whatever it wants, and its body will follow. But whatever my mind thinks the fact is that the universe is MY DREAM. And in this DREAM, (fiction, life, maya) there are a few other imaginary dreamers that are aware that they are also dreaming. These dreamers in my dream cannot entertain ME much. But there are billions and billions of imaginary-characters that think they are not dreaming when they have to be because it is MY (your) DREAM, Joke, entertainment. These billions are just an endless source of entertainment my dream needs to be entertaining, JOY. this JOY you are and all is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Hey you, you with the stars in your eyes,....... Damned skippy, that I dreamt you in my Dream. You get to have all this joy, Lucky, Lucky you..... a. ;-) - Gene Polotas Nisargadatta Friday, May 13, 2005 1:39 PM doing what cannot be done Dear GP, Extracting from your message: 'all " you " (the imaginary-doer, that is just another word for LOVE) have to do is learn this language of LOVE that will take you to a JOY and Laughter - an Ecstasy - that is far, far beyond your wildest and wackiest of dreams .' How does " one " learn this language? Love, Tapan =-=-= OM Tapan -- cut -- =-= Dear GP, Thank you, some understanding about your concept of Love arises through reading this message. How would you respond to the contradiction of the imaginary (non) doer having to " do " something i.e. learn this language of love? Love, Tapan =-======================================= OM Tapan Excellent question that my mind asks in your name. It's all just a game of words in which the mind is dreaming that it is awake. The subject, verb and object of this dream, game-joke is the same, the mind. But most minds don't know it. Most minds don't get this joke, game. Most minds are dreaming that they are awake. This is the joke, game. The simple answer to my (your) question: Whatever the mind thinks let it think and then sit back and be Entertained. This detachment of the observer from its observations, the detachment of the dreamer from its dream, is more or less the Self verbalized into JOY, Entertainment. If the mind thinks it can control its thoughts then let it control its thoughts to learn a new language called LOVE. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. Give your mind all the rope it wants and let it do the impossible. It is impossible because if learning a language is not written into the Movie called maya then there is nothing the mind can do to learn it. If the language is written into maya then there is nothing that mind can do not to learn it. That is the game, the Joke. Let the mind think it can control what cannot be controlled and ENJOY being the SELF, as " it " enjoys the show the mind performs as it tries to do the impossible. That is what Krishna was telling Arjuna - you have no choice in the slaughter - so go do what has to be done (because it has already been done.) And if you have to do your duty, then you can enjoy it with reckless abandon because there is no doer that is doing anything. (It's all just a dream, maya.) This enjoyment/detachment is the Self, verbalized. If the mind thinks it can understand Advaita then let it understand the not-two non-doer of Advaita. The Joke, again, is that there is nothing to understand - it is that simple. SO simple in fact that there is no mind simple enough to understand it. That again is the game/joke. In fact from all directions it, this dream called maya, has to be a game/joke. So if the mind thinks it can understand the simplicity of Nothing then sit back and be entertained as it tries to do the impossible and understand the Nothing that is literally Everything, the Self. Again, the same joke, game: understanding the Reality that is the Nothing that is Everything. The Joke is even more simple than that: the mind thinks it is thinking but it cannot think. If the mind could think then it would be a separate doer from the Self. There is no doer. The mind is the thoughts and not any process of thoughts. Thoughts come out of Nothing to return into Nothing to be Nothing - thinking is just the imaginary control of these thoughts. This thinking - the process of controlling thoughts -- is in fact the illusion, fiction, called maya. This illusion is like thinking that there is continuity in a movie when the movie is just made up of lots of separate pictures that appear to be continuous. Again, it is all the same dream, game, Joke. When " I " can detach myself from my mind, and its body, and observe the mind and its body go through the motions of maya then life, maya, turns into the JOY of dreaming. This JOY is the verbalized-Self. This non-dualistic JOY of dreaming, entertainment, is the Self - but only because it is non-dualistic. The JOY of entertainment in a tragedy and comedy is the same - just entertainment, there is no duality. Think about a movie. I go see a tragedy for the same reason I see a comedy: entertainment. The difference between crying and laughing is just the mind. That is why I can cry with Joy because they are the same. Imaginary dualities are needed in entertainment for the karma, friction, turmoil, without which there would be no entertainment. When the imaginary-doer is detached from thoughts and actions to become an Observer then it is just the JOY of the verbalized-Self. The Self obviously has no roles to play because it is playing all the roles on the Movie-screen, which it is, for its movie called maya, life. Again the same dream, joke-game: the Self has no roles to play because it is playing all the roles. So the answer to " imaginary (non) doer having to " do " something " - If my mind knows that life is but a dream then " I " am Awake and life is just my dream. If my mind does not know it is dreaming then I will let it do all it wants and JUST enjoy the SHOW, the movie called maya. And if " I " cannot detach myself from the thoughts called mind then that is because my role in maya is to generate karma that maya needs to be entertaining. =-= But I must understand this: Since the Self is playing all the roles of saints and sinners THERE CANNOT BE ANY LOSERS IN THIS GAME OF MAYA - there can only be winners, the same Self. And so when thoughts die then all the imaginary doers become-are the same Self that is an ocean of such unfathomable JOY that is makes the universe into not even an imaginary drop. So I can forget about reincarnation and its heavens and hells, and guilt and shame, because they are just a part of the imaginary dualities maya needs to be entertaining. =-= My mind can think whatever it wants, and its body will follow. But whatever my mind thinks the fact is that the universe is MY DREAM. And in this DREAM, (fiction, life, maya) there are a few other imaginary dreamers that are aware that they are also dreaming. These dreamers in my dream cannot entertain ME much. But there are billions and billions of imaginary-characters that think they are not dreaming when they have to be because it is MY (your) DREAM, Joke, entertainment. These billions are just an endless source of entertainment my dream needs to be entertaining, JOY. this JOY you are and all is ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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