Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Any efforting only adds muscle to the egoic dilemma. > > The attempt to surrender and accept cannot result in the realization you seek. > > yes. all words here are futile. but some attempt had to be made to break the habit. > Acceptance and surrender are a natural result..........that occur downstream from the > realization. > its alive, its alive. finally he's woken up from his " this is all a dream " dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > Any efforting only adds muscle to the egoic dilemma. > > > > The attempt to surrender and accept cannot result in the realization > you seek. > > > > > > yes. all words here are futile. but some attempt had to be made to > break the habit. By whom? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > > > > Of course we want to stop thought. Not to would be like a prisoner > > not wanting parole for freedom from his enforced attachment. In fact > > some become so attached they commit a crime to go back. > > > > Vedantic thought is about negation of the unreal and realisation of > > the real. Escapism is not having the will to drop one's > > attachments.....ONS...Tony. > > not willing to continue to revisit life, because life is painful, > suffering etc. this is nirvana. > > this is a most negative and escapist philosophy. > > accept pain. accept life. accept birth. accept death. accept taxes. > accept all that is not in your control. and having accepted all, be > happy. express yourself with your actions. live with awareness. > > this universe waited some 14 billion years (in this cycle of this > universe) so you could be aware and alive in this body. accept that > life and birth. > > this is surrender. > > so sez hemant bhai. Namaste, This response indicates a lack of appreciation for the meaning of vedanta or it is mixed up with western psychology. Accepting pain, etc etc is detachment my friend. Being aware and alive is just illusion, but even in illusion everything is alive. So there is a choice here, you don't understand Vedanta or perhaps you are just and arrogant arseole.............hahahaah...ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > > > > > > > Of course we want to stop thought. Not to would be like a prisoner > > > not wanting parole for freedom from his enforced attachment. In fact > > > some become so attached they commit a crime to go back. > > > > > > Vedantic thought is about negation of the unreal and realisation of > > > the real. Escapism is not having the will to drop one's > > > attachments.....ONS...Tony. > > > > not willing to continue to revisit life, because life is painful, > > suffering etc. this is nirvana. > > > > this is a most negative and escapist philosophy. > > > > accept pain. accept life. accept birth. accept death. accept taxes. > > accept all that is not in your control. and having accepted all, be > > happy. express yourself with your actions. live with awareness. > > > > this universe waited some 14 billion years (in this cycle of this > > universe) so you could be aware and alive in this body. accept that > > life and birth. > > > > this is surrender. > > > > so sez hemant bhai. > Any efforting only adds muscle to the egoic dilemma. > > > > The attempt to surrender and accept cannot result in the realization you seek. > > > > > Acceptance and surrender are a natural result..........that occur downstream from the > realization. > these words will themselves cause their own problems. the elevation of the concept of nirvana to the top 10 list led to the state that you see in india today. somebody, somewhere had to point the cause and effect and ridicule these temples of sloth and pessimism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Any efforting only adds muscle to the egoic dilemma. > > > > > > The attempt to surrender and accept cannot result in the realization > > you seek. > > > > > > > > > > yes. all words here are futile. but some attempt had to be made to > > break the habit. > > > > By whom? > who asks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > Being aware and alive is just illusion, but even in illusion > everything is alive. > why do they teach dissatisfaction with what is? being alive, and aware, is the scheme nature has for us. is it illusion? who knows. but to insist happiness (or the " goal of life " ) lies beyond nature is not pragmatic. living right now seems to be the goal of life. i don't yearn any Other Shore;this beach, its roses and thorns, is good enough for me. " in my opinion " > So there is a choice here, you don't understand Vedanta or perhaps > you are just and arrogant arseole.............hahahaah...ONS..Tony. anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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