Guest guest Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 Hi Pete, L:Yes, his name is interesting isn't it considering what he says.... >It does not seem that Dr. Theo is throwing the baby out with the bath water. Both the baby and the bath water remain. He is not dismissing language or language products and the effects generated in their use. >He is simply saying there is no thing beyond words. This does not mean words are pointless. They point to other words and and this feature is used to do things within the realities created with those words. >Physical reality and the phenomena within that reality is created with words. Ultimate realities, realities seen to underly other realities, >are also created with words. When the words end, what is? >Lewis Hi Lewis. P: Yes, it could be as you said that his intention was not to toss the baby out. I'd have to read the book to know for sure, and I have no desire to do so. The problem here is that even if that is not his aim, a partial, or casual reading could give that impression. Anyway, to say there are no things beyond words, is one of those meta4, that if taken literally, could lead people to conclude words float in nothingness, and are the only existent, which would be ridiculous, and lead to " Toomburanism: " The absurd belief that there is no one to read words, but words are typed and send ad nauseum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 - Pedsie2 nisargadatta Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:26 AM Interview Hi Pete, L:Yes, his name is interesting isn't it considering what he says.... >It does not seem that Dr. Theo is throwing the baby out with the bath water. Both the baby and the bath water remain. He is not dismissing language or language products and the effects generated in their use. >He is simply saying there is no thing beyond words. This does not mean words are pointless. They point to other words and and this feature is used to do things within the realities created with those words. >Physical reality and the phenomena within that reality is created with words. Ultimate realities, realities seen to underly other realities, >are also created with words. When the words end, what is? >Lewis Hi Lewis. P: Yes, it could be as you said that his intention was not to toss the baby out. I'd have to read the book to know for sure, and I have no desire to do so. The problem here is that even if that is not his aim, a partial, or casual reading could give that impression. Anyway, to say there are no things beyond words, is one of those meta4, that if taken literally, could lead people to conclude words float in nothingness, and are the only existent, which would be ridiculous, and lead to " Toomburanism: " The absurd belief that there is no one to read words, but words are typed and send ad nauseum. Sorry Pete, Where do words come from? How are they Known? Who Knows? Who listens? Who understands? Any answer you answer is just an affirmation of the predicament that you, 'Pete' is 'in'. Now if Pete can understand That, Pete will find a way out of 'his dilemma'. a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > Pedsie2@a... > nisargadatta > Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:26 AM > Interview > > > Hi Pete, > > L:Yes, his name is interesting isn't it considering what he says.... > > >It does not seem that Dr. Theo is throwing the baby out with the bath > water. Both the baby and the bath water remain. He is not dismissing > language or language products and the effects generated in their use. > >He is simply saying there is no thing beyond words. This does not mean > words are pointless. They point to other words and and this feature is > used to do things within the realities created with those words. > >Physical reality and the phenomena within that reality is created with > words. Ultimate realities, realities seen to underly other realities, > >are also created with words. When the words end, what is? > > >Lewis > > Hi Lewis. > > P: Yes, it could be as you said that his intention was not to > toss the baby out. I'd have to read the book to know for > sure, and I have no desire to do so. The problem here is > that even if that is not his aim, a partial, or casual reading > could give that impression. Anyway, to say there are no things > beyond words, is one of those meta4, that if taken literally, > could lead people to conclude words float in nothingness, and > are the only existent, which would be ridiculous, and lead to > " Toomburanism: " The absurd belief that there is no one to > read words, but words are typed and send ad nauseum. > > > > > > Sorry Pete, > > Where do words come from? How are they Known? Who Knows? > Who listens? Who understands? > > Any answer you answer is just an affirmation of the predicament that you, 'Pete' is 'in'. > > Now if Pete can understand That, Pete will find a way out of 'his dilemma'. > > a. > > > " Pete " IS his dilemma. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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