Guest guest Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 > > Message: 12 > Sun, 15 May 2005 13:10:53 -0000 > " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10 > Re: On Wittgenstein and Deconstruction > > --- > > > Wittgenstein did not present a basic message. Others who read him have > done this as followers of gurus do. After reading his > early " Tractatus > Logico-Philosophicus " and his later " Philosophical Investigations " > and " The Blue and Brown Book, " it is apparent that his philosophical > view is that there is no meaningful philosophical view or message > possible; philosophy ultimately cannot provide intelligble meaning > because of misunderstanding and confusions about the nature of > language and meaning. Wittgenstein also believed there is an > independent existing material world and constructs arguments based on > this existing tangible world. He firmly holds the assumption of > something beyond words. Therefore, he argues towards, the end of > philosophizing; towards silence. He argues against contrary or > opposing views. He reasons, he struggles with his own limits. He > suffered in this sense from DECA. > > His insights into the nature of language and its limits are useful > and amount to common sense. > > In the interview, Dr. Theo has no interest in meaning per se, for > example, its certainty or veracity or language games, if that was > imagined, since meaning is indexically related to words by speakers. > He presents in the interview the notion of the iteration of word and > meaning production created and experienced indexically and > pragmatically and dialogically used in situational contexts of > language use and discourse as an ordinary process. He relates that > to religious discourse and DECA where belief that there is something > beyond words is opposed to understanding them and their limits and > uses. Such a belief is seen to have observable cognitive > consequences. > > Meanings are incidental to the presentation since they are > indexical. The variety of imaginative productions and their indexical > meanings are non-problematic for Dr. Theo, it is the belief that there > is some thing beyond these words and their attendant meanings and > experiences that forms the core of DECA. > > As for deconstruction, there is little or no relation at all for the > same reason. Deconstruction is a method in critical literary > analysis that dismantles a text by exposing contradictions embedded in > it. These contradictions arise through the presentation of explicit > intentional content while omitting implicit positions held > consciously or unconsciously by authors, speakers, writers, actors, > etc. This method, originating with Jacques Derrida, was then adapted > and applied to issues in philosophy and the social sciences. > Deconstructive methods aim to ferret out and explain contraditions > that are disguised or hidden within and in doing this there is a > breaking apart of that under analysis. > > Deconstructive method can be used to examine assumptions, both hidden > and explicit. > > Dr Theo did not present an interest or concern for ferreting out > contradictions in his interview. His presentation was on a cognitive > syndrome. > > Dr. Theo's interview allowed him to present an understanding of > DECA. Neither Wittgenstein nor advocates of deconstructionism, to my > knowledge, have any knowledge or interest in this general phenomena > among ordinary practitioners. > > Lewis > > > Thanks, Lewis. All I know about Wittgenstein is from the > book " Wittgenstein's Poker " about W's famous encounter with Karl > Popper at King's College in Cambridge. Nice little book. > > Mr. E > > Hi Mr E. > > Wittgenstien's arguments and sufferings were precededed by Buddha's > teachings and Nagarjuna's analytic philosophy that systematized > Buddha's teachings on dependent origination, sunyata and the formal > application of the tertralemma. Nagarjuna's view of conventional > reality that is expressed and related to in words demonstrates clearly > the inadequacy of language expression and meaning and the consequences > of believing and being attached to conventional reality as he and > Buddha defined it. If interested you can read a somewhat stilted > translation of Nargajuna's central work, Mulamadhyamakakarika, at: > > http://www.sharpham-trust.org/verses_from_the_centre.htm > > Accessible explications of this work can be found at several locations: > > Nagarjuana > http://www.math.ucla.edu/~cai/Nagarjuna.pdf > > Beyond Words: Nagarjuna's Mulamadhyamakakarika and the Limits of > Expression, Megan Howe > http://soapbox.hampshire.edu/fall2000/howef00.html > > Thinking in Buddhism: Nagarjuna's Middle Way, Jonah Winters > http://bahai-library.com/personal/jw/other.pubs/nagarjuna/ > > A clear comparison of conceptualizations used in Hinduism and Thervada > and Mahayana Buddhism is here: > > http://www.byomakusuma.org/Default.aspx?tabid=39 > > Caveat emptor > > Misunderstood Buddhist discourse suffers from the discussion and > emphasis on nonexistence. > > Misunderstood Hinduist discourse suffers from the discussion and > emphasis on existence. > > Lewis > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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