Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 - Pedsie2 AdvaitaToZen ; NonDualPhil ; nisargadatta Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:00 PM [NonDualPhil] Presence is all there is? AdvaitaToZen , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > [Note: Disguised Zen ideology > using mental parlor tricks] > > See below for further details. > > > > " Presence is all there is " > > Fuzzy > > > > P: And all of you who are absent, > > please raise your right hand. > > I don't see any hands showing, > > so the dictum is comfirmed! > > > > See below for further details. " Presence is all there is. " Is it? What does that mean? Could it only mean: the feeling of presence is all there is? Feelings of presence appear in consciousness. Without consciousness there are no feelings of any kind. Does this mean consciousness is all there is? No. Both, consciousness and the feeling of presence appear and disappear together. Both, point to a basic substratum of existence without which this communication could not take place. So, what is that substratum called existence? That we can't know because it's outside meaning itself, and all that we can know, or are, is meaning. So what is meaning then? Meaning is the shape of chaos. The shape which experience traces on the primal chaos of perception. This is hard to see for those who have met chaos only once, at birth. Even the most primary sensation, say, seeing a splash of red, has the rudimentary meaning that you have seen red before, and that you sense it as different from green. Even when you, don't label it as red, you perceive it as red. At birth, we encounter chaos in its primal form: a jumble of undifferentiated meaningless perceptions in which color, was no different from sound, or touch. A solid impenetrable block of perception was encountered, and on this block, life with the chisel and hammer of need and satisfaction started carving meaning. Hunger and food, cold and warmth, pain and pleasure started eroding the block. We associated food, the pleasant with a smell, a smile, a face, and a world began to take shape. A nebulous presence was felt. Form is the outline of chaos (emptiness). Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. What lies beyond? Here we walk on the very edge. Dare you to plunge? Pete Dearheart Pete, For some reason, as I am reading your words about presence, and blow drying my hair, the following image came to mind: Sally Fields, in the role Sybil of the same name movie, is on the verge of a breakthru, having been assisted by her Psychiatrist, Dr. Cornelia Wilbur (played by Joanne Woodward) Sybil (a true story), had been documented to have at least 17 different personalities. Her core adult personna, was meeting her 'severed personalities'. Some were children, both boys and girls, some were as a wanton whore, an intellectual that needed glasses, an artist, a playful adventuress, and a whole stage of others. Their was one shy, awkward, un-pretty girl, muttering to herself, really quite scared, and all alone, somewhere in the back. Sybil went to her, took her by her hand, and brought her forward. She has by now acknowledged all her other personnas. She makes a remark about how this is one she is quite familiar with, saying something like " I know you " , embraces her and gives her the love that Sybil feels this little unlovable, un-pretty muttering little girl needs. As the camera pulls away, all the cast of her characters of dissociated selves disappear and we see Sybil embracing herself. a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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