Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > AdvaitaToZen , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > [Note: Disguised Zen ideology > > using mental parlor tricks] > > > > See below for further details. > > > > > > > " Presence is all there is " > > > Fuzzy > > > > > > P: And all of you who are absent, > > > please raise your right hand. > > > I don't see any hands showing, > > > so the dictum is comfirmed! > > > [Mental parlor trick ends] [mental parlor tricks below elided below.] > > " Presence is all there is. " Is it? What does that mean? > Could it only mean: the feeling of presence is all there is? > Feelings of presence appear in consciousness. Without > consciousness there are no feelings of any kind. Does > this mean consciousness is all there is? No. Both, > consciousness and the feeling of presence appear > and disappear together. Both, point to a basic substratum > of existence without which this communication could not > take place. > > So, what is that substratum called existence? That we can't > know because it's outside meaning itself, and all that we can > know, or are, is meaning. So what is meaning then? Meaning > is the shape of chaos. The shape which experience traces on > the primal chaos of perception. This is hard to see for those > who have met chaos only once, at birth. Even the most > primary sensation, say, seeing a splash of red, has the > rudimentary meaning that you have seen red before, and > that you sense it as different from green. Even when you, > don't label it as red, you perceive it as red. > > A reinterprtation: [ ....] birth undifferentiation colorsoundtouch lifechiselshammerscarves meaning. Hungerfoodcoldwarmthpainpleasure arise. pleasant - a smell, a smile, a face, world takes shape. Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. suffering - nebulous presence imagined, named, believed, desired, sought, held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: >...This is hard to see for those who have met chaos only once, at birth. There is nobody who does NOT meet chaos. Because every moment is the moment of birth. Look around. Now: come back. How many " reds " did you see? Five, six? Thats only what you THINK. In reality you have perceived trillions of red. Just look again. There is it all. Is it not enough? No way... no need to save it all to the hard disk. It comes delivered fresh, every moment. Yo! Stefan the true heroe knows no hope -Kazantzakis- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 - Stefan Nisargadatta Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:06 PM Re: Presence is all there is? Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: >...This is hard to see for those who have met chaos only once, at birth. There is nobody who does NOT meet chaos. Because every moment is the moment of birth. Look around. Now: come back. How many " reds " did you see? Five, six? Thats only what you THINK. In reality you have perceived trillions of red. Just look again. There is it all. Is it not enough? No way... no need to save it all to the hard disk. It comes delivered fresh, every moment. Yo! Stefan the true heroe knows no hope -Kazantzakis- Hi Ho Stefan, ----nor surrender---- Nikos is a favorite of mine. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: >the true heroe knows no hope >-Kazantzakis- > > >Hi Ho Stefan, > >----nor surrender---- > >Nikos is a favorite of mine. Wow, really? And... no surrender... ha! Thx for giving me this bite to chew... Do you know his THE SAVIORS OF GOD... it is online http://www.angel.net/~nic/askitiki.html An excerpt: 10. We struggle to make this Spirit visible, to give it a face, to encase it in words, in allegories and thoughts and incantations, that it may not escape us. 11. But it cannot be contained in the twenty-six letters of an alphabet which we string out in rows; we know that all these words, these allegories, these thoughts, and these incantations are, once more, but a new mask with which to conceal the Abyss. -smile- Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 - Stefan Nisargadatta Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:04 PM Re: Presence is all there is? Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: >the true heroe knows no hope >-Kazantzakis- > > >Hi Ho Stefan, > >----nor surrender---- > >Nikos is a favorite of mine. Wow, really? And... no surrender... ha! Thx for giving me this bite to chew... Do you know his THE SAVIORS OF GOD... it is online http://www.angel.net/~nic/askitiki.html An excerpt: 10. We struggle to make this Spirit visible, to give it a face, to encase it in words, in allegories and thoughts and incantations, that it may not escape us. 11. But it cannot be contained in the twenty-six letters of an alphabet which we string out in rows; we know that all these words, these allegories, these thoughts, and these incantations are, once more, but a new mask with which to conceal the Abyss. -smile- Stefan Yes, I do, it is war-weary, torn and literally fell apart in my hands. (i guess the smile is all that remains between " anna " and " Stefan " ) Thank you Dear Stefan. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: >Yes, I do, it is war-weary, torn and >literally fell apart in my hands. really... I just now read the first half. But I think K. was a man who always went down the whole road. Following his example I will now read the second half. Today is the day to be torn. Haha! Greetings, Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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