Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 > > Hello fuzzie, al, > > > > Yes, many do live in thought constructions > > 'about' experience and reality -- > > not in actual immediate experience, > > nor in the center of Being. > > > > To seek the path which goes beyond > > suffering and death, does not deny > > the inevitable fate of human existence, > > which is physical death, nor any experiences, > > yet the fruits of experiential understanding > > borne of this seeking > > may serve to release one from the suffering > > generated by " taking the rope for the > > snake " > > > > and to see that the seeking to escape > > the suffering was also part of the > > suffering, > > > > yet, ironically, it is only through > > experiential understanding, not > > just intellectual, that this is grokked. > > > > kindest regards, > > > > Freyja>> << Seeing that the seeking to escape the suffering is also part of the > suffering. That is really something I have to grok. So strange that > there could be so much conflict within one own thoughts and > emotions. I am fighting a world that is really an inner experience; > trying to hold control over fragmented " possessions " in my mind. > > al.>> The only reason why you appear to suffer so much is because either you think you are some thing or that you desire to be some thing. I strongly suspect, however, that you're really putting us all on, with your special brand of Sturm und Drang. Wallow in your suffering all you want, big al. At least some people are buying in to it. O.O.O What a Hoot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > > > > Hello fuzzie, al, > > > > > > Yes, many do live in thought constructions > > > 'about' experience and reality -- > > > not in actual immediate experience, > > > nor in the center of Being. > > > > > > To seek the path which goes beyond > > > suffering and death, does not deny > > > the inevitable fate of human existence, > > > which is physical death, nor any experiences, > > > yet the fruits of experiential understanding > > > borne of this seeking > > > may serve to release one from the suffering > > > generated by " taking the rope for the > > > snake " > > > > > > and to see that the seeking to escape > > > the suffering was also part of the > > > suffering, > > > > > > yet, ironically, it is only through > > > experiential understanding, not > > > just intellectual, that this is grokked. > > > > > > kindest regards, > > > > > > Freyja>> > > << Seeing that the seeking to escape the suffering is also part of > the > > suffering. That is really something I have to grok. So strange that > > there could be so much conflict within one own thoughts and > > emotions. I am fighting a world that is really an inner experience; > > trying to hold control over fragmented " possessions " in my mind. > > > > al.>> > > The only reason why you appear to suffer so much is because either > you think you are some thing or that you desire to be some thing. > > I strongly suspect, however, that you're really putting us all on, > with your special brand of Sturm und Drang. > > Wallow in your suffering all you want, big al. At least some people > are buying in to it. > > > O.O.O > What a Hoot! Think you I am pulling your legs? My anxiety is very real, I can assure you. It's like there is a little me made up of past experiences trying to cope with the future. Something in me says: " Please just drop it! Drop your neurotic ideas about the future " In this way the conflict in me really builds up. Now there is not only a " me " , there is another " me " fighting the first " me " . I feel the insanity of it all as I write this. My ego is cloning itself into fragments and thus the conflict increases! O my... The root cause of the problem is that I cannot trust that Reality will take care of things. I am still hanging on to my personal partial control. And that is probably as it should be. The fragmented " me " will never by itself reach Oneness, it cannot even surrender to Oneness. Someone asked Nukunu: " Is it possible to surrender? " Nukunu: " No. The surrender that you do is not really surrender.....The trust that you do is not real trust......Awakening is a total cut, and you cannot do that cut yourself... " al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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