The Fragments of Young Anders

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

<<snip>

> Think you I am pulling your legs? My anxiety is very real, I can

> assure you. >>

 

Gary: OK, your anxiety is very real, but you must, by now at

least, " get " that your very real anxiety is based completely on your

very unreal conceptualization of what's so, i.e, what is, i.e., the

way things really are.

 

Can you bring yourself to admit to yourself that " it is as it is " as

Ramana says?

 

CAn you at least " SEE " and UNDERSTAND that however things are, that

that's the way they are?

 

Unless you can take that obvious step, there is truly no hope for you.

 

al:

<<It's like there is a little me made up of past

> experiences trying to cope with the future. Something in me

> says: " Please just drop it! Drop your neurotic ideas about the

> future " In this way the conflict in me really builds up. Now there

> is not only a " me " , there is another " me " fighting the first " me " .

>>

 

Stop right here. AL, there's only one of you. Not two of you, not

eight of you, not 3.5 of you. There's only one you. How could there

be, even academically, speculatively, or theoretically, more than one

you? (I know Lewis will be able to come up with something, but if

you're in the least serious about ending your suffering, then you

must keep Lewis at arms length, at least for a while, til you get

your shit together.)

 

 

<<I

> feel the insanity of it all as I write this. My ego is cloning

> itself into fragments and thus the conflict increases! O my...>>

 

Forget all that shit that's clogging up your mind and brain and

understand that all that " cloning " and " fragments " and " other voices "

blah blah blah, are merely thoughts (= concepts) appearing in " your "

AWARENESS.

 

 

AL:

 

< The

> fragmented " me " will never by itself reach Oneness, it cannot even

> surrender to Oneness.>>

 

The " fragmented 'me' " will never reach anything, nor will

the " fragmented 'me' " ever do anything, simply b/c there is NO

fragmented me, except as a concept in " your " AWARENESS.

 

The various fragmented mes that run around and do all kinds of shit

in your dreams. Can any of those fragments do anything under their

own steam? Can any of them act independently? Can they " decide " to

reach Oneness? Can any of those fragments surrender to Oneness, or

Twoness, or Multiness?

 

Can you not see that your life is a dream?

 

 

AL:

 

> Someone asked Nukunu: " Is it possible to surrender? "

>

> Nukunu: " No. The surrender that you do is not really

> surrender.....The trust that you do is not real

trust......Awakening

> is a total cut, and you cannot do that cut yourself... " >>

 

Gary: Here you have it. The you you conceive yourself to be cannot

either shit or get off the pot or surrender or trust because the

fragmented self you take yourself to be is EXACTLY like the

fragmented characters that appear in dreamtime.

 

What are you holding on to? It's just a concept, is it not?

 

Gary

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Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...>

wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> <<snip>

> > Think you I am pulling your legs? My anxiety is very real, I

can

> > assure you. >>

>

> Gary: OK, your anxiety is very real, but you must, by now at

> least, " get " that your very real anxiety is based completely on

your

> very unreal conceptualization of what's so, i.e, what is, i.e.,

the

> way things really are.

>

> Can you bring yourself to admit to yourself that " it is as it is "

as

> Ramana says?

>

> CAn you at least " SEE " and UNDERSTAND that however things are,

that

> that's the way they are?

>

> Unless you can take that obvious step, there is truly no hope for

you.

 

But this " it is as it is " includes my anxiety, and I can't accept

that.

 

>

> al:

> <<It's like there is a little me made up of past

> > experiences trying to cope with the future. Something in me

> > says: " Please just drop it! Drop your neurotic ideas about the

> > future " In this way the conflict in me really builds up. Now

there

> > is not only a " me " , there is another " me " fighting the

first " me " .

> >>

>

> Stop right here. AL, there's only one of you. Not two of you, not

> eight of you, not 3.5 of you. There's only one you. How could

there

> be, even academically, speculatively, or theoretically, more than

one

> you? (I know Lewis will be able to come up with something, but if

> you're in the least serious about ending your suffering, then you

> must keep Lewis at arms length, at least for a while, til you get

> your shit together.)

 

 

LOL. Lewis and AL are " just " thoughts/feelings in your mind. If

there is only one me, how about the world and me? Oneness means

seeing the I and the world are truly one. I can't see that yet, but

I have a strong feeling that Oneness is what everything is and that

this Oneness can be realized. Then there is only a " me " as and

aspect whithin the whole. Total harmony. Supreme peace. I hope.

 

>

>

> <<I

> > feel the insanity of it all as I write this. My ego is cloning

> > itself into fragments and thus the conflict increases! O my...>>

>

> Forget all that shit that's clogging up your mind and brain and

> understand that all that " cloning " and " fragments " and " other

voices "

> blah blah blah, are merely thoughts (= concepts) appearing

in " your "

> AWARENESS.

 

 

Yes, I have been " feeling " with my heart lately. This maybe sounds

silly, but feeling totality from the heart is a good meditation I

think.

 

>

>

> AL:

>

> < The

> > fragmented " me " will never by itself reach Oneness, it cannot

even

> > surrender to Oneness.>>

>

> The " fragmented 'me' " will never reach anything, nor will

> the " fragmented 'me' " ever do anything, simply b/c there is NO

> fragmented me, except as a concept in " your " AWARENESS.

>

> The various fragmented mes that run around and do all kinds of

shit

> in your dreams. Can any of those fragments do anything under

their

> own steam? Can any of them act independently? Can they " decide "

to

> reach Oneness? Can any of those fragments surrender to Oneness,

or

> Twoness, or Multiness?

>

> Can you not see that your life is a dream?

>

>

> AL:

>

> > Someone asked Nukunu: " Is it possible to surrender? "

> >

> > Nukunu: " No. The surrender that you do is not really

> > surrender.....The trust that you do is not real

> trust......Awakening

> > is a total cut, and you cannot do that cut yourself... " >>

>

> Gary: Here you have it. The you you conceive yourself to be

cannot

> either shit or get off the pot or surrender or trust because the

> fragmented self you take yourself to be is EXACTLY like the

> fragmented characters that appear in dreamtime.

>

> What are you holding on to? It's just a concept, is it not?

>

> Gary

 

 

Yes, I am holding on to the past. I think the past is important, but

not important as a guide. The past is important as a foundation.

When this seemingly separate and fragmented past is allowed to

predict the future I am nowhere near limitless being.

 

al.