Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Gray: You are so self-obsessed Adithya:What " self-obsessed " means to you ? Gary: It means that you are so enamored of your story that it has entranced you to the point that your vision is completely skewed in your favor. It means that you are very partial to yourself, and think that somehow you are special in some way. A:>What does `contemplation' mean to you?>> G: Nothing. It's just a word. I don't connect with it at all. A: What does " mind bent inwards " mean to you ? G: " Mind bent inwards " means that the mind does not see objects. It means that the mind sees nothing. It is the equivalent of " no mind " . > > >A:>Is there any special need to SEE `anything' ...? G: There is No need to see ANYTHING. Obviously that's my point, hence the phrase " so to speak. " Stop acting dumb, willya? > A: Especially the one .... " that, requires seeing " ? G: How long have you been preying on these lists? There is no one that requires anything, either seeing or not seeing. If you had been listening to fuzzie, you wouldn't be asking these inane questions. G:> > All there is is > > pure subjective awareness without objects. > A:...and, how does `Gary' know that ? G. I don't know that. I am that. A: Who is `Gary' ? G: Gary is a nobody, just like you. > > A: Who am `I', then ? G: Pure subjective awareness without objects. > A:... " who " " are " communicating ? G: Oh God, at the risk of sounding like Ramesh, I have to say consciousness itself is the " who " (that) " are " communicating. > > A: Does the " real " grow ? G: No, but Adithya can grow up if he wants to. > A:>Do you want to know, why I post ? G: Yes, Adithya, tell me why you bother to post. > Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Though the Atman has no feeling of 'I'-ness, the feeling 'I am the Atman' is possible, as there are two subtle meanings of the term 'I', other than the ordinary one that is known in connection with the body by a mixing up of the natures of Kutastha and Chidabhasa. An illumined soul has a deep consciousness whereby there arises an occasional feeling of the body and the world, simultaneously with the constant feeling that he is the Atman. This is possible due to his being in a state of Sattva, where is a clear discernment of the presence of the original universality, though the limitation of the reflection is also felt together. Hence, while referring to bodily actions, the knower refers to the lower 'I' or Chidabhasa, and when feeling that he is the Absolute, he makes reference to the higher 'I', or Kutastha. It is not easily understandable as to how one and the same person has two feelings at the same time. But it is an uncommon possibility with a sage, due to the Jiva being an appearance and yet rooted in the Atman. The Chidabhasa asserts: 'I am the Atman', because its meaning is in the Atman, as a reflection has meaning only in its original. > Gray: You are so self-obsessed > > Adithya:What " self-obsessed " means to you ? > > Gary: It means that you are so enamored of your story that it has entranced > you to the point that your vision is completely skewed in your favor. It > means that you are very partial to yourself, and think that somehow you are > special in some way. > > A:>What does `contemplation' mean to you?>> > > G: Nothing. It's just a word. I don't connect with it at all. > > > A: What does " mind bent inwards " mean to you ? > > G: " Mind bent inwards " means that the mind does not see objects. It means > that the mind sees nothing. It is the equivalent of " no mind " . > > > > > >A:>Is there any special need to SEE `anything' ...? > > G: There is No need to see ANYTHING. Obviously that's my point, hence the > phrase " so to speak. " Stop acting dumb, willya? > > > A: Especially the one .... " that, requires seeing " ? > > G: How long have you been preying on these lists? There is no one that > requires anything, either seeing or not seeing. If you had been listening > to fuzzie, you wouldn't be asking these inane questions. > > > G:> > All there is is > > > pure subjective awareness without objects. > > > A:...and, how does `Gary' know that ? > > G. I don't know that. I am that. > > A: Who is `Gary' ? > > G: Gary is a nobody, just like you. > > > > > A: Who am `I', then ? > > G: Pure subjective awareness without objects. > > > A:... " who " " are " communicating ? > > G: Oh God, at the risk of sounding like Ramesh, I have to say consciousness > itself is the " who " (that) " are " communicating. > > > > > A: Does the " real " grow ? > > G: No, but Adithya can grow up if he wants to. > > > A:>Do you want to know, why I post ? > > > G: Yes, Adithya, tell me why you bother to post. > > > Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " gary falk " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > Gray: You are so self-obsessed > > Adithya:What " self-obsessed " means to you ? > > Gary: It means that you are so enamored of your story that it has entranced > you to the point that your vision is completely skewed in your favor. It > means that you are very partial to yourself, and think that somehow you are > special in some way. > > A:>What does `contemplation' mean to you?>> > > G: Nothing. It's just a word. I don't connect with it at all. > > > A: What does " mind bent inwards " mean to you ? > > G: " Mind bent inwards " means that the mind does not see objects. It means > that the mind sees nothing. It is the equivalent of " no mind " . > > > > > >A:>Is there any special need to SEE `anything' ...? > > G: There is No need to see ANYTHING. Obviously that's my point, hence the > phrase " so to speak. " Stop acting dumb, willya? > > > A: Especially the one .... " that, requires seeing " ? > > G: How long have you been preying on these lists? There is no one that > requires anything, either seeing or not seeing. If you had been listening > to fuzzie, you wouldn't be asking these inane questions. > *SNIP* Hi, Gary, I never told Adithya to do anything. I was just readin' his posts and he was writin' alot about " me " and " I " and " self " , etc., etc., and, I commented that he sure seemed to be hung up on himself. That's all. Since there is no individual self, there is no way anyone can do anything to " wake up " or to be " enlightened " or whatever the heck ya wanna call it. Since there is no individual self, it seems kind of silly to tell a non-existent individual self to do something in order to realize they don't exist. No? fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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