Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 P: I think the anteroom is an excellent meta4 for the persona, those parts of the brain that interplay in social relations. Even if " the beyond " informs and perfumes language, when it speaks it becomes the anteroom. There is no fixed position as long as the brain lives. In the Anteroom by Gene Poole Welcome to the anteroom... where you already are Beyond that door is the realm we all speak of Some of us speak as tho we are beyond that door But if we speak, this is where speaking is done Beyond the door there is no speaking Beyond the door there is no-one to speak Beyond the door there is no-one to speak to Here in the anteroom we may speak to each other If any of us speaks with pretense of being beyond the door, everyone but the speaker understands that fantasy is being woven with words. Everyone knows that those who speak, in the anteroom, are in the anteroom. Yes, some of us in the anteroom have been beyond the door. Some of us spend considerable time beyond the door. Some of us come into the anteroom to speak of what we see and know, what we have, what we have lost, when we have gone thru the door. But anyone who speaks here, is in the anteroom. Anyone who speaks here, is not beyond the door. Anyone who speaks here, stating that they speak from behind the door, is mistaken, and the mistake will be pointed out. This is the anteroom, and we may speak here, of anything. We speak of and point to the door. We discuss what lies beyond the door. Now perhaps we can understand, that if speaking is being done, that the speaker is in the anteroom. To be in the anteroom does not imply in any way, an inability to go thru the door. To speak in the anteroom does not in any way, qualify or accurately describe or explain what is beyond the door. Those of us who speak here, who know we are in the anteroom, know that our words do not emanate from beyond the door. Some speakers have the habit of speaking here in the anteroom, as though they are beyond the door. Those of us in the anteroom who have been thru the door, know that there is no speaking beyond the door. We may speak here in the anteroom, of anything, but to speak as tho we are beyond while we are here, reveals a serious schism in the speaker. Those of us who talk back to those who speak as tho they are beyond the door, are typically answered in words that the speaker imagines are from beyond the door. Wake up, you are in the anteroom; here you may speak. You may describe immense infinite vistas, you may bawl endless tears of gratitude, you may rant on and on about what concerns you. Wake up, speaker. If you speak, this is where you are; here you may speak. Realize that you need not formulate your speech into cosmic diatribe, to prove you are not here. If you speak, this is where you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Pedsie2 wrote: > Those of us in the anteroom who > have been thru the door What if you went through the door and you wanted to get back into the anteroom, but you couldn't? Corollary: If there is no you on the other side of the door, how is there really a you on this side of the door? > to speak as tho we are > BEYOND > while we are > HERE, > reveals a serious > SCHISM > in the speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " johnmp_nr " <johnmp_nr> wrote: > Pedsie2 wrote: > > > > Those of us in the anteroom who > > have been thru the door > > > What if you went through the door > and you wanted to get back into > the anteroom, but you couldn't? > > Corollary: If there is no you on > the other side of the door, how > is there really a you on this > side of the door? > > > > > to speak as tho we are > > BEYOND > > while we are > > HERE, > > reveals a serious > > SCHISM > > in the speaker. The key question is : ---- Do you contain this 'anteroom' ? or, ----- Does this anteroom contains you ? If former is the case, how relevant anything like 'beyond', 'behind' is ? Are you in the anteroom or IS the anteroom IN you ? Which one is prior ? Which one is Bigger ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " johnmp_nr " <johnmp_nr> > wrote: > > Pedsie2 wrote: > > > > > > > Those of us in the anteroom who > > > have been thru the door > > > > > > What if you went through the door > > and you wanted to get back into > > the anteroom, but you couldn't? > > > > Corollary: If there is no you on > > the other side of the door, how > > is there really a you on this > > side of the door? > > > > > > > > > to speak as tho we are > > > BEYOND > > > while we are > > > HERE, > > > reveals a serious > > > SCHISM > > > in the speaker. > > The key question is : > > ---- Do you contain this 'anteroom' ? > > or, > > ----- Does this anteroom contains you ? > > > If former is the case, how relevant > anything like 'beyond', 'behind' is ? > > Are you in the anteroom or > IS the anteroom IN you ? > > > Which one is prior ? > > Which one is Bigger ? .. .... ...... Does the Silence disappear when the sound arises ... or, does the sound rises and falls in ....the Silence ! Does the SPACE dies when thing appear .... Does the SKY disappear, ...when, clouds float by ... Or do the clouds simply rise and die in the SKY, ...the Space, the emptiness ! Sleeping, quietly, silence, peace, ...the darkness ...no 'me', ...no other ... .....and, suddenly a dream appears .... Does the silence, the space, the WINTESS, the Self dies when the dream appears ... or, does the dreams simply appear and dither .... ....in the SPACE, emptiness, Silence .... I AM ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johnmp_nr " <johnmp_nr> > > wrote: > > > Pedsie2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Those of us in the anteroom who > > > > have been thru the door > > > > > > > > > What if you went through the door > > > and you wanted to get back into > > > the anteroom, but you couldn't? > > > > > > Corollary: If there is no you on > > > the other side of the door, how > > > is there really a you on this > > > side of the door? > > > > > > > > > > > > > to speak as tho we are > > > > BEYOND > > > > while we are > > > > HERE, > > > > reveals a serious > > > > SCHISM > > > > in the speaker. > > > > The key question is : > > > > ---- Do you contain this 'anteroom' ? > > > > or, > > > > ----- Does this anteroom contains you ? > > > > > > If former is the case, how relevant > > anything like 'beyond', 'behind' is ? > > > > Are you in the anteroom or > > IS the anteroom IN you ? > > > > > > Which one is prior ? > > > > Which one is Bigger ? > > . > ... > ..... > > Does the Silence disappear when the > sound arises ... > > or, does the sound rises and falls in > ...the Silence ! > > > Does the SPACE dies when thing appear > ... > > Does the SKY disappear, ...when, > clouds float by ... > > Or do the clouds simply rise and die > in the SKY, ...the Space, the > emptiness ! > > > Sleeping, > quietly, silence, peace, ...the > darkness ...no 'me', ...no other ... > > ....and, suddenly a dream appears .... > > Does the silence, the space, the > WINTESS, the Self dies when the dream > appears ... > > or, does the dreams simply appear and > dither .... > > ...in the SPACE, emptiness, Silence > ... I AM ! ...... .... .. I SEE an 'you' ... I see an 'me' ... Seeing 'you' and 'me', Do 'I' change ? I SEE 'you', 'me', the 'other' ... or, I just exist ... I see Nothing ... But, have I 'gone' anywhere ... Does the SKY need to go somewhere for the clouds to appear ... Does the WITNESS need to die for the dreams to appear ... SCREEN is empty, screen has pictures ... Does the SCREEN need to go somewhere for the pictures to appear ...? I think ... or, I just exist, ...I AM ... Does the THINKER need to die for the thoughts to appear ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johnmp_nr " > <johnmp_nr> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Pedsie2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those of us in the anteroom who > > > > > > have been thru the door > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What if you went through the door > > > > > and you wanted to get back into > > > > > the anteroom, but you couldn't? > > > > > > > > > > Corollary: If there is no you on > > > > > the other side of the door, how > > > > > is there really a you on this > > > > > side of the door? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to speak as tho we are > > > > > > BEYOND > > > > > > while we are > > > > > > HERE, > > > > > > reveals a serious > > > > > > SCHISM > > > > > > in the speaker. > > > > > > > > The key question is : > > > > > > > > ---- Do you contain this 'anteroom' ? > > > > > > > > or, > > > > > > > > ----- Does this anteroom contains you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > If former is the case, how relevant > > > > anything like 'beyond', 'behind' is ? > > > > > > > > Are you in the anteroom or > > > > IS the anteroom IN you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Which one is prior ? > > > > > > > > Which one is Bigger ? > > > > > > . > > > ... > > > ..... > > > > > > Does the Silence disappear when the > > > sound arises ... > > > > > > or, does the sound rises and falls in > > > ...the Silence ! > > > > > > > > > Does the SPACE dies when thing appear > > > ... > > > > > > Does the SKY disappear, ...when, > > > clouds float by ... > > > > > > Or do the clouds simply rise and die > > > in the SKY, ...the Space, the > > > emptiness ! > > > > > > > > > Sleeping, > > > quietly, silence, peace, ...the > > > darkness ...no 'me', ...no other ... > > > > > > ....and, suddenly a dream appears .... > > > > > > Does the silence, the space, the > > > WINTESS, the Self dies when the dream > > > appears ... > > > > > > or, does the dreams simply appear and > > > dither .... > > > > > > ...in the SPACE, emptiness, Silence > > > ... I AM ! > > > > ..... > > ... > > . > > > > I SEE an 'you' ... > > > > I see an 'me' ... > > > > > > Seeing 'you' and 'me', > > > > Do 'I' change ? > > > > > > I SEE 'you', 'me', the 'other' ... > > > > or, I just exist ... > > I see Nothing ... > > > > > > But, have I 'gone' anywhere ... > > > > Does the SKY need to go somewhere for > > the clouds to appear ... > > > > Does the WITNESS need to die for the > > dreams to appear ... > > > > SCREEN is empty, screen has pictures ... > > > > > > Does the SCREEN need to go somewhere > > for the pictures to appear ...? > > > > > > I think ... > > > > or, I just exist, ...I AM ... > > > > > > Does the THINKER need to die for the > > thoughts to appear ...? > > . > ... > ..... > > Thinking of going and coming, this > door and that door ... > > behind and beyond ... > > > Just think, " who " is THAT which comes > in or goes out ... > > " who " is THAT which thinks of going > 'beyond' or 'behind' > > . > ... > ..... > > Where is the 'beyond' and 'behind' ... > > Where is the 'anteroom' ... > > > Too much identification of the > " thoughts " , ....the delusion of coming > and going ... > > The screen, the SPACE, the Silence, > the Background, the STILLNESS perceives > it all, contains it all ... > yet, need not go anywhere ... > > " Where " is THAT it will Go ? > > " Where " is THAT it can go ? You see " things " coming and going ... Now, ask " where " are they coming and going ... If it is " you " who is coming and going ..... " who " is THAT which SEES this coming and going ... " who " is that which SEES this 'Beyond' and 'Behind' ... " Where " is the Beyond ... " Where " is the Behind ... Remain the one that SEES ... Remain the ONE that is STILL ... The WITNESS, the SPACE ... ....and, you are ALWAYS speaking from the SAME Place ... The Place ...that is YOU ! The Sun's LIGHT filters thru the clouds, ....or, the tree leaves ... or thru curtains ... Yet, the SUN doesn't need to move .... The SUN can and does shine from the SAME place ...ITSELF ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 On how many lists do you post this bullshit simultaneously....4, 5 boards or more? Pathetic! /KA NNCB (No new crap below) Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johnmp_nr " > > <johnmp_nr> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Pedsie2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those of us in the anteroom who > > > > > > > have been thru the door > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What if you went through the door > > > > > > and you wanted to get back into > > > > > > the anteroom, but you couldn't? > > > > > > > > > > > > Corollary: If there is no you on > > > > > > the other side of the door, how > > > > > > is there really a you on this > > > > > > side of the door? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to speak as tho we are > > > > > > > BEYOND > > > > > > > while we are > > > > > > > HERE, > > > > > > > reveals a serious > > > > > > > SCHISM > > > > > > > in the speaker. > > > > > > > > > > The key question is : > > > > > > > > > > ---- Do you contain this 'anteroom' ? > > > > > > > > > > or, > > > > > > > > > > ----- Does this anteroom contains you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If former is the case, how relevant > > > > > anything like 'beyond', 'behind' is ? > > > > > > > > > > Are you in the anteroom or > > > > > IS the anteroom IN you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which one is prior ? > > > > > > > > > > Which one is Bigger ? > > > > > > > > . > > > > ... > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > Does the Silence disappear when the > > > > sound arises ... > > > > > > > > or, does the sound rises and falls in > > > > ...the Silence ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the SPACE dies when thing appear > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Does the SKY disappear, ...when, > > > > clouds float by ... > > > > > > > > Or do the clouds simply rise and die > > > > in the SKY, ...the Space, the > > > > emptiness ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sleeping, > > > > quietly, silence, peace, ...the > > > > darkness ...no 'me', ...no other ... > > > > > > > > ....and, suddenly a dream appears .... > > > > > > > > Does the silence, the space, the > > > > WINTESS, the Self dies when the dream > > > > appears ... > > > > > > > > or, does the dreams simply appear and > > > > dither .... > > > > > > > > ...in the SPACE, emptiness, Silence > > > > ... I AM ! > > > > > > ..... > > > ... > > > . > > > > > > I SEE an 'you' ... > > > > > > I see an 'me' ... > > > > > > > > > Seeing 'you' and 'me', > > > > > > Do 'I' change ? > > > > > > > > > I SEE 'you', 'me', the 'other' ... > > > > > > or, I just exist ... > > > I see Nothing ... > > > > > > > > > But, have I 'gone' anywhere ... > > > > > > Does the SKY need to go somewhere for > > > the clouds to appear ... > > > > > > Does the WITNESS need to die for the > > > dreams to appear ... > > > > > > SCREEN is empty, screen has pictures ... > > > > > > > > > Does the SCREEN need to go somewhere > > > for the pictures to appear ...? > > > > > > > > > I think ... > > > > > > or, I just exist, ...I AM ... > > > > > > > > > Does the THINKER need to die for the > > > thoughts to appear ...? > > > > . > > ... > > ..... > > > > Thinking of going and coming, this > > door and that door ... > > > > behind and beyond ... > > > > > > Just think, " who " is THAT which comes > > in or goes out ... > > > > " who " is THAT which thinks of going > > 'beyond' or 'behind' > > > > . > > ... > > ..... > > > > Where is the 'beyond' and 'behind' ... > > > > Where is the 'anteroom' ... > > > > > > Too much identification of the > > " thoughts " , ....the delusion of coming > > and going ... > > > > The screen, the SPACE, the Silence, > > the Background, the STILLNESS perceives > > it all, contains it all ... > > yet, need not go anywhere ... > > > > " Where " is THAT it will Go ? > > > > " Where " is THAT it can go ? > > You see " things " coming and going ... > > Now, ask " where " are they coming and > going ... > > If it is " you " who is coming and going > .... > > " who " is THAT which SEES this coming > and going ... > > " who " is that which SEES this 'Beyond' > and 'Behind' ... > > " Where " is the Beyond ... > > " Where " is the Behind ... > > > Remain the one that SEES ... > > Remain the ONE that is STILL ... > > The WITNESS, the SPACE ... > > > ...and, you are ALWAYS speaking from > the SAME Place ... > > The Place ...that is YOU ! > > > The Sun's LIGHT filters thru the clouds, > ...or, the tree leaves ... > or thru curtains ... > > Yet, the SUN doesn't need to move .... > The SUN can and does shine from the > SAME place ...ITSELF ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > On how many lists did you post this bullshit simultaneously....4, 5 > boards or more? Pathetic! > > /KA ONY two. The ones you said, you read. ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.