Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 In a message dated 6/21/05 9:18:00 PM, kipalmazy writes: > > Kip, > > > > > > >Kip: I am not a " buddhist " ! I guess it seems that I follow > somehow the > > > Buddhadharma not being aware of it, or better, indifferently to > what it > > > could be called. The point is that I am indifferent > to " enlightenment " > > > too. I guess, you know that already > > > > Joyce: It depends on what the word " enlightenment " means to you > > or anyone. I find it meaningless in connection with Buddhadharma. > > I'll bet no two people mean the same thing when they use > > this word. The way most people use the word on lists seems > > to be referring to some blissful Shangrila or something > > they want to " get " but don't feel they have. You must have an > interpretation > > of the word, it means something to you, and you are indifferent to > what your > > interpretation describes or symbolizes to you but what is your > definition? > P: We need a realistic approach to the notion of enlightenment. One that doesn't get stuck in definitions, but considers the issue of change. What positive changes have meditation, studying, worshiping, and thinking about spirituality brought into your life? Are you less fearful? More peaceful? Happier? Do you get stuck in suffering? Can you be offended? Are you more accepting? Do you feel more connected? Is your world more beautiful? Do you still cause more pain that happiness around you? Are there moments of silence and bliss? Do you still doubt, and search for truth? Is there still the notion all of the above are owned by an entity? There is no need to label those changes under an umbrella label. There is no need to have a chart to indicate progress, and a point pass which there is enlightenment. Enlightenment, if anything is a direction, not a destination. As there is no point at which you can say I have arrived at the absolute Up, or down, there is no point at which you can say, this is unsurpassed enlightenment. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 well said, well understood in the standing of the understanding love, Anna - Pedsie2 AdvaitaToZen ; nisargadatta Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:05 PM Re: [AdvaitaToZen] Re: Hey Kip & FW: Samsara = Nirvana ? In a message dated 6/21/05 9:18:00 PM, kipalmazy writes: > > Kip, > > > > > > >Kip: I am not a " buddhist " ! I guess it seems that I follow > somehow the > > > Buddhadharma not being aware of it, or better, indifferently to > what it > > > could be called. The point is that I am indifferent > to " enlightenment " > > > too. I guess, you know that already > > > > Joyce: It depends on what the word " enlightenment " means to you > > or anyone. I find it meaningless in connection with Buddhadharma. > > I'll bet no two people mean the same thing when they use > > this word. The way most people use the word on lists seems > > to be referring to some blissful Shangrila or something > > they want to " get " but don't feel they have. You must have an > interpretation > > of the word, it means something to you, and you are indifferent to > what your > > interpretation describes or symbolizes to you but what is your > definition? > P: We need a realistic approach to the notion of enlightenment. One that doesn't get stuck in definitions, but considers the issue of change. What positive changes have meditation, studying, worshiping, and thinking about spirituality brought into your life? Are you less fearful? More peaceful? Happier? Do you get stuck in suffering? Can you be offended? Are you more accepting? Do you feel more connected? Is your world more beautiful? Do you still cause more pain that happiness around you? Are there moments of silence and bliss? Do you still doubt, and search for truth? Is there still the notion all of the above are owned by an entity? There is no need to label those changes under an umbrella label. There is no need to have a chart to indicate progress, and a point pass which there is enlightenment. Enlightenment, if anything is a direction, not a destination. As there is no point at which you can say I have arrived at the absolute Up, or down, there is no point at which you can say, this is unsurpassed enlightenment. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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