[NonDualPhil] [AdvaitaToZen] Things & Words

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In a message dated 6/30/05 2:53:58 PM, lbb10 writes:

 

 

> > P: I don't believe in things or concepts. " I " found " myself "

> > fucking myself on this bed called 'existence', and when 'others'

> > appears on the bed, I fuck with then too, being them real or not.

> > How's that for an ontological good time!

>

> Lewis: Hahahaha! Very nice! Hahahahaha! You are flowin now! Hahahahaha!

> Very nice, Pete. Thanks! Hahahahaha!

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P: flowing has been happening for several years, it has

no thing to do with what I believe or don't regarding

things and existence. Flowing could not be prevented by

any kind of ontological beliefs. Only those beliefs which

regulate conduct, such as seeing pleasure as sinful could

impede flowing. On the other hand, flowing did erode the

belief in selfhood, but flowing happened, and the causes

of flowing can only be speculated about.

 

They could be different in each case. Flowing could be

a result of biology, meditation, mindfulness, chance,

or grace, or other factors.

 

 

 

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--- Pedsie2 wrote:

 

In a message dated 6/30/05 2:53:58 PM, lbb10 writes:

 

 

P: I don't believe in things or concepts. " I " found " myself "

fucking myself on this bed called 'existence', and when 'others'

appears on the bed, I fuck with then too, being them real or not.

How's that for an ontological good time!

 

 

Lewis: Hahahaha! Very nice! Hahahahaha! You are flowin now!

Hahahahaha! Very nice, Pete. Thanks! Hahahahaha!

 

 

 

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P: flowing has been happening for several years, it has

no thing to do with what I believe or don't regarding

things and existence. Flowing could not be prevented by

any kind of ontological beliefs. Only those beliefs which

regulate conduct, such as seeing pleasure as sinful could

impede flowing. On the other hand, flowing did erode the

belief in selfhood, but flowing happened, and the causes

of flowing can only be speculated about.

 

They could be different in each case. Flowing could be

a result of biology, meditation, mindfulness, chance,

or grace, or other factors.

 

 

L: What I meant Pete, was your language expression was flowin,' like

" breathin fire, " like " movin me, " like " Yeah, Pete, saying like it is,

baby! " Whooooeee, that's the stuff...! " Like that compared to what we

were doing before. It was not a philosophical comment at all.

 

The abrupt change of tone, evocative content and imagery that could be

taken in all sorts of ways, sent me into explosive convulsive laughter!

It was great! Now it seems that that may not be way you meant it and

maybe my laughter and good time with experiencing those words and all

that is attached to them in me was completely imagined, constructed in

the world of Pete and Lewis by Lewis and why not? It always is! I may

have laughed wildly at something that was not intended to be humorous

in any way. I do not know.

 

But no matter. We go on to the next.

 

We may have slipped the connection and that is nice because you can see

as I do, clearly, how you responded to the word flowin' in a context

constructed by you, about you and me (however that is conceived) and

your identification and filling the word 'flowin' with meanings and all

else attached to those in you life, that extends throughout your life

experience and nonduality and is entirely your own and not mine in the

least, as I intended and wrote and it is wonderful to see this creation

of yours that tells me of you in the way I can imagine.

 

This is the real stuff of mythopoesis in action. The actual revealing

of what I really do in communicating with others. In ethnomethodolgy,

this is called " breaching " and is done deliberately by

ethnomethodlgists to demonstrate how we create our worlds and live in

them in the moment by making accounts of them without realizing how we

do so, and all based on assumptions that are taken for granted. Zen

monks do breaching in response to student questions and to each other.

It is done here many times unintentionally on these e-lists especially

to newcomers, expecting well you know what. However most people recover

their worlds quickly after breaching and go right back making habitual

accounts without ever realizing what they are doing. What can be said

about that?

 

Take a look Pete. When I first came to these lists you and others were

" breaching " me unintentionally, all the time, and in doing so I found

many hidden assumptions I had and now are free of. Remember when you

cross posted me the first time? Do you remember my response. You

breached my world of what is the " appropriate way to use use the words

of others. " Your cavalier use of my words snipping without the full

context, attributions, and for God's sake without my explicit

permission breached me, disturbed very nicely all my hidden assumptions

held so tightly and unaware since there was no one who ever did such an

objectionable action with " my precious words. " And so, I proceeded to

tell you the what for on it. You essentially laughed at me, mocked my

attachment and all the Pete kind of rough stuff. That was one of the

many lessons I have had here. These list are good for that and in

engaging here, I am breached by others in all the ways that it happens

and make good use of it for living. Take a look at this stuff, it may

be useful to you.

 

 

 

 

Introductions to Ethnomethodology.

 

http://www.hewett.norfolk.sch.uk/curric/soc/ethno/intro.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnomethodology

http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/Ethnomethodology

 

 

Examples of Breaching.

 

http://www.sniggle.net/breaching.php

http://www.cf.ac.uk/socsi/undergraduate/introsoc/ethnomet.html

 

 

How Intersex Gender is Constructed. Chapter 5 from Harold Garfinkel's

(founder of ethnomethodology) " Studies in Ethnomethodology. "

 

http://www.academicarmageddon.co.uk/library/GARF.htm

 

Lewis