Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " blueoceantiger " <jkane@d...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " sunyani9 " <sunyani9> wrote: > > To all the souls that visit this site do you have peace within your > > house ,your vehicle that carrys your soul? > > > > If so, how did you arrive at that wonder of wonders? > > > > You have peaceful day! > > And if challenges come to steal your peace and fail,then you > truelly > > have it. > > > > Sunyani > > > thanks for the question, sunyani. > > i don't really follow the metaphor of having a house > that holds peace. what i have found is that peace > simply is always present, as present as the silence > that permeates everything no matter what is arising. > honestly, it has not been my experience of peace being > something i can own or hold. if anything, having people > attribute feeling peace around me, believing i had to > create it and chasing experience of peace kept me from > seeing it is always here. when i began to get that it > is so empty, clear, beyond concepts, it also struck me > that it is the same peace that anyone sees/knows. it > simply is. with many stories and descriptions around > where perceptions have personalized it. > > as to how i became aware of this, it seems there have > been many variations on a theme of surrender, of > just stopping, and not trying to avoid or change what > is here. and in that, a stillness becomes felt as > more real than anything that can appear to threaten > peace. through a willingness to really be present, > i've discovered there is, that which can never be > touched by what appears. for me, this enters what is > wordless, yet, peace is real. > > --josie-- >=================================== Thanks Josie for writing better than I can. Your words are, or point to, the same harmony and Joy that you call Peace. These words take us far beyond the words we call gods, and their saints. These words are saying that YOU are not the mind and body. Or, these words come from YOU, this Peace, and not the mind and its body called Josie. This Peace is not only real but it is the only thing that is " real " because it is the timeless NOW. Everything else is the noise or disturbance of NOW called karma, time, thoughts, and words, like gods and saints. The gods and their words cannot know this Peace because they are also a disturbance of NOW, the noise we call thoughts, words, karma, time – the mind. But if the gods knew this Peace they would be breaking down doors to give YOU their souls to get it. And to give them this Peace YOU would have to convince them that THEY ARE what they think you have but in fact YOU ARE, NOW. -- thoughts for NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > Gene Polotas > Nisargadatta > Saturday, July 02, 2005 12:12 PM > Re: peace called Josie > > > Nisargadatta , " blueoceantiger " <jkane@d...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " sunyani9 " <sunyani9> > wrote: > > > To all the souls that visit this site do you have peace within > your > > > house ,your vehicle that carrys your soul? > > > > > > If so, how did you arrive at that wonder of wonders? > > > > > > You have peaceful day! > > > And if challenges come to steal your peace and fail,then you > > truelly > > > have it. > > > > > > Sunyani > > > > > > thanks for the question, sunyani. > > > > i don't really follow the metaphor of having a house > > that holds peace. what i have found is that peace > > simply is always present, as present as the silence > > that permeates everything no matter what is arising. > > honestly, it has not been my experience of peace being > > something i can own or hold. if anything, having people > > attribute feeling peace around me, believing i had to > > create it and chasing experience of peace kept me from > > seeing it is always here. when i began to get that it > > is so empty, clear, beyond concepts, it also struck me > > that it is the same peace that anyone sees/knows. it > > simply is. with many stories and descriptions around > > where perceptions have personalized it. > > > > as to how i became aware of this, it seems there have > > been many variations on a theme of surrender, of > > just stopping, and not trying to avoid or change what > > is here. and in that, a stillness becomes felt as > > more real than anything that can appear to threaten > > peace. through a willingness to really be present, > > i've discovered there is, that which can never be > > touched by what appears. for me, this enters what is > > wordless, yet, peace is real. > > > > --josie-- > >=================================== > > Thanks Josie for writing better than I can. > > Your words are, or point to, the same harmony and Joy that you call > Peace. These words take us far beyond the words we call gods, and > their saints. > > These words are saying that YOU are not the mind and body. Or, these > words come from YOU, this Peace, and not the mind and its body called > Josie. > > This Peace is not only real but it is the only thing that is > " real " because it is the timeless NOW. Everything else is > the noise or disturbance of NOW called karma, time, thoughts, and > words, like gods and saints. > > The gods and their words cannot know this Peace because they are also > a disturbance of NOW, the noise we call thoughts, words, karma, > time - the mind. > > But if the gods knew this Peace they would be breaking down doors to > give YOU their souls to get it. > > And to give them this Peace YOU would have to convince them that > THEY ARE what they think you have but in fact YOU ARE, NOW. > > -- thoughts for NOW > > =========================== > Anna wrote: > not to worry NOW, the gods are mere reflection... > > ============== How can they be? There is no mirror. -- NOW > ======================== > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 - Gene Polotas Nisargadatta Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:19 PM Re: peace called Josie Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > Gene Polotas > Nisargadatta > Saturday, July 02, 2005 12:12 PM > Re: peace called Josie > > > Nisargadatta , " blueoceantiger " <jkane@d...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " sunyani9 " <sunyani9> > wrote: > > > To all the souls that visit this site do you have peace within > your > > > house ,your vehicle that carrys your soul? > > > > > > If so, how did you arrive at that wonder of wonders? > > > > > > You have peaceful day! > > > And if challenges come to steal your peace and fail,then you > > truelly > > > have it. > > > > > > Sunyani > > > > > > thanks for the question, sunyani. > > > > i don't really follow the metaphor of having a house > > that holds peace. what i have found is that peace > > simply is always present, as present as the silence > > that permeates everything no matter what is arising. > > honestly, it has not been my experience of peace being > > something i can own or hold. if anything, having people > > attribute feeling peace around me, believing i had to > > create it and chasing experience of peace kept me from > > seeing it is always here. when i began to get that it > > is so empty, clear, beyond concepts, it also struck me > > that it is the same peace that anyone sees/knows. it > > simply is. with many stories and descriptions around > > where perceptions have personalized it. > > > > as to how i became aware of this, it seems there have > > been many variations on a theme of surrender, of > > just stopping, and not trying to avoid or change what > > is here. and in that, a stillness becomes felt as > > more real than anything that can appear to threaten > > peace. through a willingness to really be present, > > i've discovered there is, that which can never be > > touched by what appears. for me, this enters what is > > wordless, yet, peace is real. > > > > --josie-- > >=================================== > > Thanks Josie for writing better than I can. > > Your words are, or point to, the same harmony and Joy that you call > Peace. These words take us far beyond the words we call gods, and > their saints. > > These words are saying that YOU are not the mind and body. Or, these > words come from YOU, this Peace, and not the mind and its body called > Josie. > > This Peace is not only real but it is the only thing that is > " real " because it is the timeless NOW. Everything else is > the noise or disturbance of NOW called karma, time, thoughts, and > words, like gods and saints. > > The gods and their words cannot know this Peace because they are also > a disturbance of NOW, the noise we call thoughts, words, karma, > time - the mind. > > But if the gods knew this Peace they would be breaking down doors to > give YOU their souls to get it. > > And to give them this Peace YOU would have to convince them that > THEY ARE what they think you have but in fact YOU ARE, NOW. > > -- thoughts for NOW > > =========================== > Anna wrote: > not to worry NOW, the gods are mere reflection... > > ============== How can they be? There is no mirror. -- NOW > ======================== > > > Hi Gene, If you speak 'disturbance' there must be 'something other, I just happened to call it reflection and you saw mirror. Peace and love have no opposites except in the mind of concepts, where all words are formed, One peace One Love One " God " . THIS. you call it NOW. Anna > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > CUT > > > > =========================== > > Anna wrote: > > > not to worry NOW, the gods are mere reflection... > > > > ============== > How can they be? There is no mirror. > -- NOW > > > ======================== > > > > > > > > Hi Gene, > > If you speak 'disturbance' there must be 'something other, I > just happened to call it reflection and you saw mirror. > > Peace and love have no opposites except in the mind of concepts, where all words are formed, One peace One Love One " God " . THIS. you call it NOW. > > Anna > Anna -- they are just words, thoughts, the mind. One mind thinks " reflection " and another thinks " you need a mirror for a reflection " and there is no mirror only the thoughts called the mind and its thoughts like mirror and god and me and you. Only the Joy WE ARE and ALL IS matters -- everything else is just some sort of joke that maya needs to be entertaining. -- just thoughts > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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