Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Darrell writes: " Those individuals that are the inner guru are not seekers. " NOW writes: The inner-guru is not an individual. The inner-guru is more like the Dreamer of all individuals, the universe. And there are no seekers any more than there are real characters in our dreams. This is the very basic " there is no doer " of Advaita... And there is nothing to be " sought " because what is being " sought " cannot be lost. -=- Darrell asks: Are you an inner guru or an outer guru? NOW writes: I am what I sign my name as: NOW. Otherwise I am what your mind thinks, NOTHING MORE and NOTHING LESS. The day I realized that I – this mind and its body – has never done anything, never thought anything, and never wrote anything, that was the day I started to laugh at this mortal-dream called maya in which the mind thinks it is thinking and doing things when in reality Nothing Ever Happens. And if Nothing Ever Happens then what do " I " care about what this/my mind thinks it thinks and its hands writes. And this TOTAL INDIFFERENCE to what these words are trying to say separates ME, NOW, from all those imaginary gurus, prophets and sages who think they are saying and doing things, like performing miracles, when in reality Nothing Ever Happens. =-= To return from the lofty Highs of non-duality back to the pathetic dualities of subject and object: For over four years I addictively read the books of Papaji, Nisargadatta and Ramana and others, over and over and over, until I learned their language. Then suddenly the addiction to read ended when I had to laugh because with this language – that I learned from them -- I could often say better… what they were trying to say. Does this make me a guru? I could give a shit. To me these words are nothing more than a language that is JOY itself. If I was the biggest charlatan the world has ever seen, and the masses kissed my feet, and butt, for being the Second Coming would this make me a guru? Absolutely; because the mind is what it thinks, be it a guru, butt or charlatan. And if I had my choice I would rather kill myself laughing than be some fucking guru who has to keep telling his fucking egos, over and over, that they cannot find what they cannot lose. But in this maya we call life there is no choice any more than there is thinking and doing, so what I choose can make no difference to what cannot happen – because Nothing Ever Happens. And the fact is that the mind is the language it speaks. " I " simply learned this language of non-duality and NOW I AM this JOY and laughter of this Language that seems to come best with an utter indifference if not contempt for dualities like charlatans and their fucking gurus. I use these words because in this mortal-dream we call life the only thing most gurus seem to be good for is a good or bad fuck. -- laughs for NOW ========== Nisargadatta , darrell boone <sunyani9> wrote: > Those individuals that are the inner guru are not seekers. They are the ones being sought! > Are you an inner guru or an outer guru? > Or a guru in transition?Or nothing but laughter? > > Gene Polotas <semmin@e...> wrote: > re: SHOULD A GURU PROMOTE HIM/HERSELF? > > > The real " guru " is not in the imaginary outside but in the imaginary > inside. The mind is the inside and its outside and this is the whole > problem with the mind and its seeking. The mind is seeking for > things in the outside when the outside, and its inside, is just the > mind and its dualities. > > This Guru is just another word for the Self, Atman or NOW. > > The story of the outer-guru starts when the mind, thoughts, cannot > understand the inner-guru because all its thoughts point it – the > mind, the seeker -- to the imaginary outside. So this inner-guru > projects itself into an imaginary outer-guru that can then somehow > redirect the seeker, the mind, back to the real inner-guru, the > Self, NOW. > > If these words have any worth then any outer-guru that has to promote > him/herself is not a guru because the outer-guru's ONLY job is not > promotion but to redirect the seeker, or the mind, from the outside > to the inner-guru, the Self, NOW. > > -- thoughts for NOW > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> > > > > >But in this maya we call life there is no choice any more than there is thinking and doing, so what I choose can make no difference to what cannot happen – because Nothing Ever Happens. >In this maya we call life there is no choice any more than there is thinking and doing, so what I choose can make no difference to what cannot happen – because Nothing Ever Happens. Question: then why do you (this nothing) put out this maya that you call life, take on a body, when Nothing Ever Happens. You are yet another one who talks endlessly about the No thing and the illusion while not understanding why the illusion is here in the first place. Whether or not Nothing ever happens is irrelevent. It doesn't stop the Creator from creating endlessly out of void - irregardless that it's not real. It's what YOU are. You can't stop it so you try to explain it to make it go away and yet it goes on and on and on from time immemorial. Your words have twisted back upon themselves until they've confused you and you have missed the simplicity of it --- pure creation. Making something out of nothing at all. Your trying to laugh at it or make some sense out of it and in doing so you don't even realize that there is only You doing the dreaming and the creating - the split comes when you don't even know this You and the choice that is ever before You. What is there then to convince anyone of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 You have traded one addiction for another!You are addicted to Maya.You can not,at this time,leave this site.You need other people to explain why you need no thing,nothing.And in so " living " you need everything. Now can Darrell give up the maya of your clinging mind? Let see - - - Gene Polotas <semmin wrote: Darrell writes: " Those individuals that are the inner guru are not seekers. " NOW writes: The inner-guru is not an individual. The inner-guru is more like the Dreamer of all individuals, the universe. And there are no seekers any more than there are real characters in our dreams. This is the very basic " there is no doer " of Advaita... And there is nothing to be " sought " because what is being " sought " cannot be lost. -=- Darrell asks: Are you an inner guru or an outer guru? NOW writes: I am what I sign my name as: NOW. Otherwise I am what your mind thinks, NOTHING MORE and NOTHING LESS. The day I realized that I – this mind and its body – has never done anything, never thought anything, and never wrote anything, that was the day I started to laugh at this mortal-dream called maya in which the mind thinks it is thinking and doing things when in reality Nothing Ever Happens. And if Nothing Ever Happens then what do " I " care about what this/my mind thinks it thinks and its hands writes. And this TOTAL INDIFFERENCE to what these words are trying to say separates ME, NOW, from all those imaginary gurus, prophets and sages who think they are saying and doing things, like performing miracles, when in reality Nothing Ever Happens. =-= To return from the lofty Highs of non-duality back to the pathetic dualities of subject and object: For over four years I addictively read the books of Papaji, Nisargadatta and Ramana and others, over and over and over, until I learned their language. Then suddenly the addiction to read ended when I had to laugh because with this language – that I learned from them -- I could often say better… what they were trying to say. Does this make me a guru? I could give a shit. To me these words are nothing more than a language that is JOY itself. If I was the biggest charlatan the world has ever seen, and the masses kissed my feet, and butt, for being the Second Coming would this make me a guru? Absolutely; because the mind is what it thinks, be it a guru, butt or charlatan. And if I had my choice I would rather kill myself laughing than be some fucking guru who has to keep telling his fucking egos, over and over, that they cannot find what they cannot lose. But in this maya we call life there is no choice any more than there is thinking and doing, so what I choose can make no difference to what cannot happen – because Nothing Ever Happens. And the fact is that the mind is the language it speaks. " I " simply learned this language of non-duality and NOW I AM this JOY and laughter of this Language that seems to come best with an utter indifference if not contempt for dualities like charlatans and their fucking gurus. I use these words because in this mortal-dream we call life the only thing most gurus seem to be good for is a good or bad fuck. -- laughs for NOW ========== Nisargadatta , darrell boone <sunyani9> wrote: > Those individuals that are the inner guru are not seekers. They are the ones being sought! > Are you an inner guru or an outer guru? > Or a guru in transition?Or nothing but laughter? > > Gene Polotas <semmin@e...> wrote: > re: SHOULD A GURU PROMOTE HIM/HERSELF? > > > The real " guru " is not in the imaginary outside but in the imaginary > inside. The mind is the inside and its outside and this is the whole > problem with the mind and its seeking. The mind is seeking for > things in the outside when the outside, and its inside, is just the > mind and its dualities. > > This Guru is just another word for the Self, Atman or NOW. > > The story of the outer-guru starts when the mind, thoughts, cannot > understand the inner-guru because all its thoughts point it – the > mind, the seeker -- to the imaginary outside. So this inner-guru > projects itself into an imaginary outer-guru that can then somehow > redirect the seeker, the mind, back to the real inner-guru, the > Self, NOW. > > If these words have any worth then any outer-guru that has to promote > him/herself is not a guru because the outer-guru's ONLY job is not > promotion but to redirect the seeker, or the mind, from the outside > to the inner-guru, the Self, NOW. > > -- thoughts for NOW > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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