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P: Can I safely bet Christ or Buddha didn't rate higher?

 

NNB

 

Hawkins gives himself a score of like 800 or above.....

 

AdvaitaToZen

[AdvaitaToZen ]

On Behalf Of Pete S

Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:05 PM

Gururatings ; nondualphil ;

AdvaitaToZen ; nisargadatta

[AdvaitaToZen] LOC is Hawkin's Guro Trick

 

> > Hi GP,

> >

> > I have asked you about Hawkins, his

> > " power versus Force " book and LOC

> > before too. But, I think I haven't

> > received any reply.

> >

> > I am still Very Curious. So I ask

> > again.

> >

> > > > I ask:

> >

> >

> > 1. What you think the LOC

(Level Of Consciousness) of this

group GuruRating is?

> >

> > 2. The book advertisement on its

> > official web-site

> > (http://www.veritaspub.com/article_info.

> > php?cArticlePath=1 & articles_id=3 ) says:

> >

> > " Learn how 85% of the worlds

> > population falls below the level of

> > integrity and how it is counterbalanced

> > by the 15% that calibrate above the

> > critical level of 200 (p.234). How one

> > person who calibrates at 500

> > counterbalances the negativity of

> > 750,000 individuals who calibrate below

> > 200. (One person at level 300

> > counterbalances 90,000 below 200; one

> > person at 700 counterbalances 20

> > million below 200). "

> >

> > > Ac.

 

 

P: Ac, although, you didn't asked me

and it's not my intention to take sides in the GP/Ac feud because I

find both of you equally likable and extremely entertaining, here is my

opinion of LOC:

 

LOC stands for Lowest Obscuring Concept. It's just a cheap guru trick,

a

superiority carrot to dangle in front of his followers. Offer humans a

reason to feel superior to others and they will follow you to hell.

That

there are degrees of intelligence is obvious, that there are levels of

consciousness, and that there are entities who could go from a lower to

higher level in an elevator of the guro's design is nothing but an

obvious sale trick.

 

To see consciousness as essence, and as an essence which can be

improved

is a very common illusion in spiritual circles. In reality,

consciousness is just another tool at the service of life. See

Maharaj's

view on the role of consciousness below.

 

 

Q: As long as there are pain and pleasure, one is bound

to be interested.

 

M: And as long as one is conscious, there will be pain and

pleasure. You cannot fight pain and pleasure on the level of

consciousness. To go beyond them you must go beyond

consciousness, which is possible only when you look at

consciousness as something that happens to you and not in you,

as something external, alien, superimposed. Then, suddenly you

are free of consciousness, really alone, with nothing to intrude.

And that is your true state. Consciousness is an itching rash

that makes you scratch. Of course, you cannot step out of

consciousness for the very idea of stepping out of consciousness

is in consciousness. But if you learn to look at your

consciousness as a sort of fever, personal and private, in

which you are enclosed like a chick in its shell, out of this

very attitude will come the crisis which will break its shell.