Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: , " Nathan Port " <eport924> wrote: > Dear members, > > I'm writing because I recently read an interview with U.G. Krishnamurti > that has left me a little unsettled. In this interview, available at > realization.org, U.G. Krishnamurti talks about his life events, > including his so-called enlightenment. Some of his statements that are > disturbing to me are the ones where he says that if people knew what > enlightenment was like, they wouldn't want it. His entire account seems > full of suffering and bizarre events. Even at the end, there is no > mention by him of peace or anything positive. > > I would be interested in reading the opinions and insights of the > members on this person. > > Regards, > Nathan Namaste, Simply put, of course people with desires don't want enlightenment, it is a desireless, mindless, and attributeless state--inexplicable. Many people who claim to be non dual also do not with the pure Nir Guna state, they aim for the Sakti/Saguna State of Sat-Cit-Ananada. Any trace of modification whether it be Sakti or Mind is not full realisation. Many people prefer the Savikalpa Samadhi to the Nirvikalpa for there is nothing to enjoy or remember/ecstasy in Nirvikalpa. So of course the unenlightened with a mind will not want true Moksha for in the first place the samskaras prevent lucidity, then mix in loss of ego-identity and you have the dominant fear of prevention right there. The Ego will do anything to survive, it drives the mind mad, and can even kill the body in its desire to keep its delusional existence. That is why the expression that we must use a thorn to remove a thorn.........At the right time and with enough Sadhana and Purification.........ONS...Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Tony & Nathan, If indeed those statements of UG Krishnamurti are his, then one wonder whether he really got enlightened. It would help if Nathan provides the transcript of the interview. Sachin ---- Tony OClery 08/24/05 22:01:26 nisargadatta ; gururatings Fwd: UG Krishnamurthi etc advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: , " Nathan Port " <eport924> wrote: > Dear members, > > I'm writing because I recently read an interview with U.G. Krishnamurti > that has left me a little unsettled. In this interview, available at > realization.org, U.G. Krishnamurti talks about his life events, > including his so-called enlightenment. Some of his statements that are > disturbing to me are the ones where he says that if people knew what > enlightenment was like, they wouldn't want it. His entire account seems > full of suffering and bizarre events. Even at the end, there is no > mention by him of peace or anything positive. > > I would be interested in reading the opinions and insights of the > members on this person. > > Regards, > Nathan Namaste, Simply put, of course people with desires don't want enlightenment, it is a desireless, mindless, and attributeless state--inexplicable. Many people who claim to be non dual also do not with the pure Nir Guna state, they aim for the Sakti/Saguna State of Sat-Cit-Ananada. Any trace of modification whether it be Sakti or Mind is not full realisation. Many people prefer the Savikalpa Samadhi to the Nirvikalpa for there is nothing to enjoy or remember/ecstasy in Nirvikalpa. So of course the unenlightened with a mind will not want true Moksha for in the first place the samskaras prevent lucidity, then mix in loss of ego-identity and you have the dominant fear of prevention right there. The Ego will do anything to survive, it drives the mind mad, and can even kill the body in its desire to keep its delusional existence. That is why the expression that we must use a thorn to remove a thorn.........At the right time and with enough Sadhana and Purification.........ONS...Tony. --- End forwarded message --- ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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