Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 In the Reality of non-duality there can be no difference between a Self-realized saint and a psychopath. This is because in this Reality of non-duality they have to be the same Self because there is no other – there is no doer. Buddha and Jesus and Ramana were psychopaths. They not only ignored all of society's/religion's/scripture's norms and values but they literally abandoned society. They not only abandoned society but by all standards of decency and decorum they were unemployed/unemployable vagrants. The things that Awake-individuals, like Buddha and Jesus, did and said can make no difference because in the Reality that is ONE with no other, Advaita, there is no doer. So what Buddha and Jesus did and said as " doers " has to be irrelevant for all reasons. The most obvious reason is that what they did and said is in the past that not only does not exist but never existed. This subject of decency and decorum can only get better, or, for the dualist, worse. Awake-individuals are totally aware that the Self plays all the roles in Reality's fiction called maya, and so for the Awake-individual to condemn the Self for playing one role, a saint, more perfectly than another, a sinner, personifies insanity. But the subject can only get better, and for dualists a lot-lot worse. A Self-realized person not only could care less how the Self plays all the roles of others perfectly but … and this is a killer… an Awake-person could also care less about what " his " mind thinks and " his " body does because the Self is playing their role just as perfectly as all the others. And to take the subject to its dramatic limit: a Self-realized person could not only care less about what " his " mind thinks but also could care less if " his " mind's body saves little children from death and disease or molests, tortures or even kills them. It can make no difference because compared to the Reality that is ONE, with no other, all these words, and their imaginary actions are (compared to Reality) pure and unmitigated fiction and so what the mind thinks and the body does is just Reality's maya, which is Reality's Nothing that has to be, at best, fiction. If all these words have pulled the proverbial rug from under all decency and decorum then it is just the maya that imaginary doers need to throw all their decency and decorum out the window to be Awake by dying laughing. To die laughing is called lethal-laughter. The laughter is lethal to the mind, and sometimes even its body. This lethal-laughter is the Reality that has been called Kundalini and otherwise the Holy Spirit. And the dualists of decency and decorum have also righteously called this lethal-laughter every other fucking word imaginable. -- just words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 So , what you are saying is that life and all we see to exist is all one being.Nothing matters because it is all the play of god and his will brings about what shall happen so the enlightened person accepts all that happens as gods will. Of course that would be my will since I am that. This is non duality? Hmmm,this just sounds like another form of religious concoction developed by the seperate self sense in order to continue the existance of the I thought. Isnt non-duality just the seeing through the fog of the seperate self sense and understanding that what arises in our awareness is what it is. In your direct experience do you see yourself as everything not seperate or do you see just another human trying to get by in life.Is this Advaita dream you write about something you experience or is it something you learned and are just parroting. True self inspection(not the who am I from the diaper dude ) into the cause of human suffering is a truely personal matter requiring a very hard and truthful bare bones look at the cause of our human suffering. It is far to simple for the mind which once it has a bit of imformation is never satisfied but must continue to find out more. Here is a relevant quote from old Huang Po; The Enlightened man is capable of perceiving both unity and multiplicity without the least contradiction between them! Here we seem to have a rather different description of reality. Huang PO does not introduce the notion of `illusion' at all. To him, `unity and multiplicity' ( for the sake of comparison read `Brahman and manifest existence') are of the same non-dual experience. Here, Non-duality neither implies one nor two. In other words Huang Po does not describe a reality where there is on the one side Reality and on the other Illusion. When we see Reality and illusion (as Advaita Vedanta proposes) we see both one and two. ( The `man of understanding' sees the `One' which is Brahman, and the world of illusion. Such a person therefore sees two realities. The person who is not `a man of understanding' sees only illusion, which manifests as dualistic vision, so he also sees two – although his `two' are different to the two the' man of understanding' sees.) The Reality (unity) of which Huang Po talks is therefore of a categorically different nature to that which Balsekar describes. Huang Po finds no fundamental or categorical difference between `unity' and `multiplicity' (diversity). For him unity is not the only Reality and mutilplicity `illusion'. In this way Huang Po brings unity and multiplicity beautifully together in a very simple statement. Wholeness is for him not in conflict with the many different forms of appearance within manifest existence. Diversity and Wholeness is one process of mutual arising. The `Enlightened' man therefore simply sees both as integral to the living experience of the present. From the `Enlightened' perspective there is no high and low, Real and unreal, Truth and Illusion. There is just non-dual present experience. `No contradiction between unity and multiplicity!' Just one jolly merry-go-round! Stick with what is folks,Doug......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " chefboy2160 " <chefboy2160> wrote: > So , what you are saying is that life and all we see to exist is > all one being.Nothing matters because it is all the play of god and > his will brings about what shall happen so the enlightened person > accepts all that happens as gods will. Of course that would be my > will since I am that. This is non duality? Hmmm,this just sounds > like another form of religious concoction developed by the seperate > self sense in order to continue the existance of the I thought. > Isnt non-duality just the seeing through the fog of the seperate > self sense and understanding that what arises in our awareness is > what it is. In your direct experience do you see yourself as > everything not seperate or do you see just another human trying to > get by in life.Is this Advaita dream you write about something you > experience or is it something you learned and are just parroting. > True self inspection(not the who am I from the diaper dude ) into > the cause of human suffering is a truely personal matter requiring > a very hard and truthful bare bones look at the cause of our human > suffering. It is far to simple for the mind which once it has a bit > of imformation is never satisfied but must continue to find out more. > > Here is a relevant quote from old Huang Po; > > The Enlightened man is capable of perceiving both unity and > multiplicity without the least contradiction between them! > ..... > Stick with what is folks,Doug........======================== You can quote, scream and even thump all the bibles and scriptures but they will never EVER give you the Reality of Silence that words are not. -- just words .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " chefboy2160 " <chefboy2160> > wrote: > > So , what you are saying is that life and all we see to exist is > > all one being.Nothing matters because it is all the play of god and > > his will brings about what shall happen so the enlightened person > > accepts all that happens as gods will. Of course that would be my > > will since I am that. This is non duality? Hmmm,this just sounds > > like another form of religious concoction developed by the seperate > > self sense in order to continue the existance of the I thought. > > Isnt non-duality just the seeing through the fog of the seperate > > self sense and understanding that what arises in our awareness is > > what it is. In your direct experience do you see yourself as > > everything not seperate or do you see just another human trying to > > get by in life.Is this Advaita dream you write about something you > > experience or is it something you learned and are just parroting. > > True self inspection(not the who am I from the diaper dude ) into > > the cause of human suffering is a truely personal matter requiring > > a very hard and truthful bare bones look at the cause of our human > > suffering. It is far to simple for the mind which once it has a bit > > of imformation is never satisfied but must continue to find out > more. > > > > Here is a relevant quote from old Huang Po; > > > > The Enlightened man is capable of perceiving both unity and > > multiplicity without the least contradiction between them! > > ..... > > Stick with what is folks,Doug........======================== > You can quote, scream and even thump all the bibles and scriptures > but they will never EVER give you the Reality of Silence that words > are not. > -- just words > . For those who think nothing matters in the world of Maya. I have a suggestion. Try telling your imaginary landlord that you refuse to pay your imaginary rent and guess what will happen? You will find your imaginary ass out on the sidewalk and your imaginary stomach aching for food. You then might tell your imaginary self to find another philosophy. Just an imaginary thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " chefboy2160 " <chefboy2160> > wrote: > > So , what you are saying is that life and all we see to exist is > > all one being.Nothing matters because it is all the play of god and > > his will brings about what shall happen so the enlightened person > > accepts all that happens as gods will. Of course that would be my > > will since I am that. This is non duality? Hmmm,this just sounds > > like another form of religious concoction developed by the seperate > > self sense in order to continue the existance of the I thought. > > Isnt non-duality just the seeing through the fog of the seperate > > self sense and understanding that what arises in our awareness is > > what it is. In your direct experience do you see yourself as > > everything not seperate or do you see just another human trying to > > get by in life.Is this Advaita dream you write about something you > > experience or is it something you learned and are just parroting. > > True self inspection(not the who am I from the diaper dude ) into > > the cause of human suffering is a truely personal matter requiring > > a very hard and truthful bare bones look at the cause of our human > > suffering. It is far to simple for the mind which once it has a bit > > of imformation is never satisfied but must continue to find out > more. > > > > Here is a relevant quote from old Huang Po; > > > > The Enlightened man is capable of perceiving both unity and > > multiplicity without the least contradiction between them! > > ..... > > Stick with what is folks,Doug........======================== > You can quote, scream and even thump all the bibles and scriptures > but they will never EVER give you the Reality of Silence that words > are not. > -- just words > . For those who think nothing matters in the world of Maya. I have a suggestion. Try telling your imaginary landlord that you refuse to pay your imaginary rent and guess what will happen? You will find your imaginary ass out on the sidewalk and your imaginary stomach aching for food. You then might tell your imaginary self to find another philosophy. Just an imaginary thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Mark " <Misaacsred1156@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " chefboy2160 " > <chefboy2160> > > wrote: > > > So , what you are saying is that life and all we see to exist > is > > > all one being.Nothing matters because it is all the play of god > and > > > his will brings about what shall happen so the enlightened person > > > accepts all that happens as gods will. Of course that would be my > > > will since I am that. This is non duality? Hmmm,this just sounds > > > like another form of religious concoction developed by the > seperate > > > self sense in order to continue the existance of the I thought. > > > Isnt non-duality just the seeing through the fog of the seperate > > > self sense and understanding that what arises in our awareness is > > > what it is. In your direct experience do you see yourself as > > > everything not seperate or do you see just another human trying > to > > > get by in life.Is this Advaita dream you write about something > you > > > experience or is it something you learned and are just parroting. > > > True self inspection(not the who am I from the diaper dude ) into > > > the cause of human suffering is a truely personal matter requiring > > > a very hard and truthful bare bones look at the cause of our > human > > > suffering. It is far to simple for the mind which once it has a > bit > > > of imformation is never satisfied but must continue to find out > > more. > > > > > > Here is a relevant quote from old Huang Po; > > > > > > The Enlightened man is capable of perceiving both unity and > > > multiplicity without the least contradiction between them! > > > ..... > > > Stick with what is folks,Doug........======================== > > You can quote, scream and even thump all the bibles and scriptures > > but they will never EVER give you the Reality of Silence that words > > are not. > > -- just words > > . > > > > > > For those who think nothing matters in the world of Maya. I have a > suggestion. Try telling your imaginary landlord that you refuse to > pay your imaginary rent and guess what will happen? You will find > your imaginary ass out on the sidewalk and your imaginary stomach > aching for food. You then might tell your imaginary self to find > another philosophy. Just an imaginary thought. you are right... nothing is wrong when an imaginary " you " pay to an imaginary " landlord " the rent.... it start to be confused if one think that oneself is real....and everything else " imagination " ..... Maya is Maya.... but it's not the real nature....only the appearence of the Self maybe nobody ever payed any rent to anybody.....except in a dreaming mind and world... let's enjoy the dream..... there is nothing bad about wish a peaceful mind...... Regards Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:23 AM Re: decency and decorum amuck Nisargadatta , " Mark " <Misaacsred1156@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " chefboy2160 " > <chefboy2160> > > wrote: > > > So , what you are saying is that life and all we see to exist > is > > > all one being.Nothing matters because it is all the play of god > and > > > his will brings about what shall happen so the enlightened person > > > accepts all that happens as gods will. Of course that would be my > > > will since I am that. This is non duality? Hmmm,this just sounds > > > like another form of religious concoction developed by the > seperate > > > self sense in order to continue the existance of the I thought. > > > Isnt non-duality just the seeing through the fog of the seperate > > > self sense and understanding that what arises in our awareness is > > > what it is. In your direct experience do you see yourself as > > > everything not seperate or do you see just another human trying > to > > > get by in life.Is this Advaita dream you write about something > you > > > experience or is it something you learned and are just parroting. > > > True self inspection(not the who am I from the diaper dude ) into > > > the cause of human suffering is a truely personal matter requiring > > > a very hard and truthful bare bones look at the cause of our > human > > > suffering. It is far to simple for the mind which once it has a > bit > > > of imformation is never satisfied but must continue to find out > > more. > > > > > > Here is a relevant quote from old Huang Po; > > > > > > The Enlightened man is capable of perceiving both unity and > > > multiplicity without the least contradiction between them! > > > ..... > > > Stick with what is folks,Doug........======================== > > You can quote, scream and even thump all the bibles and scriptures > > but they will never EVER give you the Reality of Silence that words > > are not. > > -- just words > > . > > > > > > For those who think nothing matters in the world of Maya. I have a > suggestion. Try telling your imaginary landlord that you refuse to > pay your imaginary rent and guess what will happen? You will find > your imaginary ass out on the sidewalk and your imaginary stomach > aching for food. You then might tell your imaginary self to find > another philosophy. Just an imaginary thought. you are right... nothing is wrong when an imaginary " you " pay to an imaginary " landlord " the rent.... it start to be confused if one think that oneself is real....and everything else " imagination " ..... Maya is Maya.... but it's not the real nature....only the appearence of the Self maybe nobody ever payed any rent to anybody.....except in a dreaming mind and world... let's enjoy the dream..... there is nothing bad about wish a peaceful mind...... Regards Marc amen a peaceful mind... love, anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:23 AM > Re: decency and decorum amuck > > > Nisargadatta , " Mark " <Misaacsred1156@a...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " chefboy2160 " > > <chefboy2160> > > > wrote: > > > > So , what you are saying is that life and all we see to exist > > is > > > > all one being.Nothing matters because it is all the play of god > > and > > > > his will brings about what shall happen so the enlightened > person > > > > accepts all that happens as gods will. Of course that would be > my > > > > will since I am that. This is non duality? Hmmm,this just > sounds > > > > like another form of religious concoction developed by the > > seperate > > > > self sense in order to continue the existance of the I thought. > > > > Isnt non-duality just the seeing through the fog of the > seperate > > > > self sense and understanding that what arises in our awareness > is > > > > what it is. In your direct experience do you see yourself as > > > > everything not seperate or do you see just another human trying > > to > > > > get by in life.Is this Advaita dream you write about something > > you > > > > experience or is it something you learned and are just > parroting. > > > > True self inspection(not the who am I from the diaper dude ) > into > > > > the cause of human suffering is a truely personal matter > requiring > > > > a very hard and truthful bare bones look at the cause of our > > human > > > > suffering. It is far to simple for the mind which once it has a > > bit > > > > of imformation is never satisfied but must continue to find out > > > more. > > > > > > > > Here is a relevant quote from old Huang Po; > > > > > > > > The Enlightened man is capable of perceiving both unity and > > > > multiplicity without the least contradiction between them! > > > > ..... > > > > Stick with what is folks,Doug........======================== > > > You can quote, scream and even thump all the bibles and > scriptures > > > but they will never EVER give you the Reality of Silence that > words > > > are not. > > > -- just words > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who think nothing matters in the world of Maya. I have a > > suggestion. Try telling your imaginary landlord that you refuse to > > pay your imaginary rent and guess what will happen? You will find > > your imaginary ass out on the sidewalk and your imaginary stomach > > aching for food. You then might tell your imaginary self to find > > another philosophy. Just an imaginary thought. > > > you are right... > > nothing is wrong when an imaginary " you " pay to an > imaginary " landlord " the rent.... > > it start to be confused if one think that oneself is real....and > everything else " imagination " ..... > > Maya is Maya.... > > but it's not the real nature....only the appearence of the Self > > maybe nobody ever payed any rent to anybody.....except in a dreaming > mind and world... > > let's enjoy the dream..... > there is nothing bad about > > wish a peaceful mind...... > > Regards > > Marc > > amen > a peaceful mind... > > love, > anna > > ...it's all about to be in infinite number of (different) " realities " ....at same time.... to keep on dreaming in a peaceful mind.... psst... > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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