Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 can anyone share something that isn`t poetry or parroting something they have heard or read? i will try. while i do understand that this life lived is only a passing show and unreal,, shifts in consciousness are still remarkable to me. after contemplation, while walking my dogs i became aware of a shift in which i was the individual " i-am-ness " of both dogs at once. from both perspectives i moved and breathed and viewed from their vantage point and wholly experienced each dog`s sense of individual " i am " . it stands out in memory because it was the first of its kind for me. since then i sometimes experience the same with people, but to a somewhat lesser degree and never in two at once. i have a great love for the writings of maharaj and since coming upon them i have not been able to leave them behind or not think of them for long. the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual is proud of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and become more aware that i am not the individual. am i progressing? no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > can anyone share something that isn`t poetry or parroting something they have heard or > read? i will try. while i do understand that this life lived is only a passing show and unreal,, > shifts in consciousness are still remarkable to me. after contemplation, while walking my > dogs i became aware of a shift in which i was the individual " i-am-ness " of both dogs at > once. from both perspectives i moved and breathed and viewed from their vantage point and > wholly experienced each dog`s sense of individual " i am " . it stands out in memory because it > was the first of its kind for me. since then i sometimes experience the same with people, but > to a somewhat lesser degree and never in two at once. i have a great love for the writings of > maharaj and since coming upon them i have not been able to leave them behind or not think > of them for long. the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual is proud > of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and become more aware that i am not the > individual. am i progressing? no. No. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > can anyone share something that isn`t poetry or parroting something they have heard or > read? i will try. while i do understand that this life lived is only a passing show and unreal,, > shifts in consciousness are still remarkable to me. after contemplation, while walking my > dogs i became aware of a shift in which i was the individual " i-am-ness " of both dogs at > once. from both perspectives i moved and breathed and viewed from their vantage point and > wholly experienced each dog`s sense of individual " i am " . it stands out in memory because it > was the first of its kind for me. since then i sometimes experience the same with people, but > to a somewhat lesser degree and never in two at once. i have a great love for the writings of > maharaj and since coming upon them i have not been able to leave them behind or not think > of them for long. the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual is proud > of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and become more aware that i am not the > individual. am i progressing? no. progressing towards what? it's impossible to say anything that hasn't already been said. everything you say is parroting, learned behavior. the very language utilized to communicate is learned by parroting. nothing is yours. you have never had an original thought. even your thoughts are not yours. they were instilled into you through societal and/or tribal conditioning. there is no way of knowing a thing. dannyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:13 AM > Re: none > > > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > > > can anyone share something that isn`t poetry or parroting something they have heard > or > > read? i will try. while i do understand that this life lived is only a passing show and > unreal,, > > shifts in consciousness are still remarkable to me. after contemplation, while walking my > > dogs i became aware of a shift in which i was the individual " i-am-ness " of both dogs at > > once. from both perspectives i moved and breathed and viewed from their vantage point > and > > wholly experienced each dog`s sense of individual " i am " . it stands out in memory > because it > > was the first of its kind for me. since then i sometimes experience the same with people, > but > > to a somewhat lesser degree and never in two at once. i have a great love for the > writings of > > maharaj and since coming upon them i have not been able to leave them behind or not > think > > of them for long. the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual is > proud > > of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and become more aware that i am not > the > > individual. am i progressing? no. > > > > > No. > > > toombaru > > > yes. > and > no. > > > ar > > > > > > ** You can talk with dogs..............travel to astral cities.........levitate.........or manifest rolex watches for your friends..........but.......if you continue to believe that there is a " you " doing anything......(including 'progressing' spiritually)......you are deeply mired in the dream of identification. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 - toombaru2004 Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:18 AM Re: none Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:13 AM > Re: none > > > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > > > can anyone share something that isn`t poetry or parroting something they have heard > or > > read? i will try. while i do understand that this life lived is only a passing show and > unreal,, > > shifts in consciousness are still remarkable to me. after contemplation, while walking my > > dogs i became aware of a shift in which i was the individual " i-am-ness " of both dogs at > > once. from both perspectives i moved and breathed and viewed from their vantage point > and > > wholly experienced each dog`s sense of individual " i am " . it stands out in memory > because it > > was the first of its kind for me. since then i sometimes experience the same with people, > but > > to a somewhat lesser degree and never in two at once. i have a great love for the > writings of > > maharaj and since coming upon them i have not been able to leave them behind or not > think > > of them for long. the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual is > proud > > of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and become more aware that i am not > the > > individual. am i progressing? no. > > > > > No. > > > toombaru > > > yes. > and > no. > > > ar > > > > > > ** You can talk with dogs..............travel to astral cities.........levitate.........or manifest rolex watches for your friends..........but.......if you continue to believe that there is a " you " doing anything......(including 'progressing' spiritually)......you are deeply mired in the dream of identification. toombaru Yessiree Monsieu 'toombaru' and who are you that hides behind that name? Not identifying is the same as identifying. Life is the be lived my Beloved, not to be relegated amoung the dead and the near dead, the thinking of identification. Once and finally answered in who thinks/dreams/of/as " identification. " Only Is IS. I Am That. ar ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:18 AM > Re: none > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > toombaru2004 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:13 AM > > Re: none > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > > > > > can anyone share something that isn`t poetry or parroting something they have > heard > > or > > > read? i will try. while i do understand that this life lived is only a passing show and > > unreal,, > > > shifts in consciousness are still remarkable to me. after contemplation, while walking > my > > > dogs i became aware of a shift in which i was the individual " i-am-ness " of both > dogs at > > > once. from both perspectives i moved and breathed and viewed from their vantage > point > > and > > > wholly experienced each dog`s sense of individual " i am " . it stands out in memory > > because it > > > was the first of its kind for me. since then i sometimes experience the same with > people, > > but > > > to a somewhat lesser degree and never in two at once. i have a great love for the > > writings of > > > maharaj and since coming upon them i have not been able to leave them behind or > not > > think > > > of them for long. the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual is > > proud > > > of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and become more aware that i am > not > > the > > > individual. am i progressing? no. > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > yes. > > and > > no. > > > > > > ar > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > You can talk with dogs..............travel to astral cities.........levitate.........or manifest rolex > watches for your friends..........but.......if you continue to believe that there is a " you " doing > anything......(including 'progressing' spiritually)......you are deeply mired in the dream of > identification. > > > > toombaru > > > > Yessiree Monsieu 'toombaru' and who are you that hides behind that name? > > Not identifying is the same as identifying. > > Life is the be lived my Beloved, > not to be relegated amoung the dead and the near dead, the thinking of identification. > Once and finally answered in who thinks/dreams/of/as " identification. " > > Only Is IS. I Am That. > > ar > > > > > > ** > " I Am' is the center......and the circumference of the dream. Nisargadatta speaks of going beyond the I Am. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > " I Am' is the center......and the circumference of the dream. > > > Nisargadatta speaks of going beyond the I Am. > > > toombaru " beyond " is just another deluded thought. all these so called gurus & messiahs make promises but they never deliver. it's always tomorrow, beyond, yonder... keep the sheeple deluded with false hopes; it's one of the oldest tricks in the book in controlling the masses. even suicide bombers expect to receive their reward in the great beyond... what a racket! dannyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv " <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > " I Am' is the center......and the circumference of the dream. > > > > > > Nisargadatta speaks of going beyond the I Am. > > > > > > toombaru > > " beyond " is just another deluded thought. > > all these so called gurus & messiahs make promises but they never > deliver. it's always tomorrow, beyond, yonder... keep the sheeple > deluded with false hopes; it's one of the oldest tricks in the book in > controlling the masses. even suicide bombers expect to receive their > reward in the great beyond... > > what a racket! > > dannyc The one who is aware of the 'racket'............is the mother of all rackets. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:18 AM > Re: none > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > toombaru2004 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:13 AM > > Re: none > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > > > > > can anyone share something that isn`t poetry or parroting something they have > heard > > or > > > read? i will try. while i do understand that this life lived is only a passing show and > > unreal,, > > > shifts in consciousness are still remarkable to me. after contemplation, while walking > my > > > dogs i became aware of a shift in which i was the individual " i-am-ness " of both > dogs at > > > once. from both perspectives i moved and breathed and viewed from their vantage > point > > and > > > wholly experienced each dog`s sense of individual " i am " . it stands out in memory > > because it > > > was the first of its kind for me. since then i sometimes experience the same with > people, > > but > > > to a somewhat lesser degree and never in two at once. i have a great love for the > > writings of > > > maharaj and since coming upon them i have not been able to leave them behind or > not > > think > > > of them for long. the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual is > > proud > > > of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and become more aware that i am > not > > the > > > individual. am i progressing? no. > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > yes. > > and > > no. > > > > > > ar > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > You can talk with dogs..............travel to astral cities.........levitate.........or manifest rolex > watches for your friends..........but.......if you continue to believe that there is a " you " doing > anything......(including 'progressing' spiritually)......you are deeply mired in the dream of > identification. > > > > toombaru > > > > Yessiree Monsieu 'toombaru' and who are you that hides behind that name? > > Not identifying is the same as identifying. 'Nisargadatta' is not the name his mother gave him. > > Life is the be lived my Beloved, 'Life' IS the living. > not to be relegated amoung the dead and the near dead, the thinking of identification. Identification IS death. > Once and finally answered in who thinks/dreams/of/as " identification. " > > Only Is IS. I Am That. > > ar > > > > > > ** You are much more than that. You are this. toombaru > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 - dannyc_1eyeluv Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:35 PM Re: none Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > " I Am' is the center......and the circumference of the dream. > > > Nisargadatta speaks of going beyond the I Am. > > > toombaru " beyond " is just another deluded thought. all these so called gurus & messiahs make promises but they never deliver. it's always tomorrow, beyond, yonder... keep the sheeple deluded with false hopes; it's one of the oldest tricks in the book in controlling the masses. even suicide bombers expect to receive their reward in the great beyond... what a racket! dannyc Hi dannyc, All the great ones, (I have not physically heard them) and the lesser known ones all speak the same thing: it is only 'your thinking' that sets 'you' apart. See who is thinking first. The kingdom of heaven is a completed one existing here and now, regardless of what one thinks.. Only 'you' can prove it otherwise... ar ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 - toombaru2004 Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:06 PM Re: none Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:18 AM > Re: none > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > toombaru2004 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:13 AM > > Re: none > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > > > > > can anyone share something that isn`t poetry or parroting something they have > heard > > or > > > read? i will try. while i do understand that this life lived is only a passing show and > > unreal,, > > > shifts in consciousness are still remarkable to me. after contemplation, while walking > my > > > dogs i became aware of a shift in which i was the individual " i-am-ness " of both > dogs at > > > once. from both perspectives i moved and breathed and viewed from their vantage > point > > and > > > wholly experienced each dog`s sense of individual " i am " . it stands out in memory > > because it > > > was the first of its kind for me. since then i sometimes experience the same with > people, > > but > > > to a somewhat lesser degree and never in two at once. i have a great love for the > > writings of > > > maharaj and since coming upon them i have not been able to leave them behind or > not > > think > > > of them for long. the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual is > > proud > > > of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and become more aware that i am > not > > the > > > individual. am i progressing? no. > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > yes. > > and > > no. > > > > > > ar > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > You can talk with dogs..............travel to astral cities.........levitate.........or manifest rolex > watches for your friends..........but.......if you continue to believe that there is a " you " doing > anything......(including 'progressing' spiritually)......you are deeply mired in the dream of > identification. > > > > toombaru > > > > Yessiree Monsieu 'toombaru' and who are you that hides behind that name? > > Not identifying is the same as identifying. 'Nisargadatta' is not the name his mother gave him. > > Life is the be lived my Beloved, 'Life' IS the living. > not to be relegated amoung the dead and the near dead, the thinking of identification. Identification IS death. > Once and finally answered in who thinks/dreams/of/as " identification. " > > Only Is IS. I Am That. > > ar > > > > > > ** You are much more than that. You are this. toombaru I Am This Is-IS? ;-) and U are the toombaru part of me..........my Beloved........... and..............and.............and............ who shall I omit from this? and why? > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:06 PM > Re: none > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > toombaru2004 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:18 AM > > Re: none > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2004 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:13 AM > > > Re: none > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > > > > > > > can anyone share something that isn`t poetry or parroting something they have > > heard > > > or > > > > read? i will try. while i do understand that this life lived is only a passing show > and > > > unreal,, > > > > shifts in consciousness are still remarkable to me. after contemplation, while > walking > > my > > > > dogs i became aware of a shift in which i was the individual " i-am-ness " of both > > dogs at > > > > once. from both perspectives i moved and breathed and viewed from their > vantage > > point > > > and > > > > wholly experienced each dog`s sense of individual " i am " . it stands out in > memory > > > because it > > > > was the first of its kind for me. since then i sometimes experience the same with > > people, > > > but > > > > to a somewhat lesser degree and never in two at once. i have a great love for the > > > writings of > > > > maharaj and since coming upon them i have not been able to leave them behind > or > > not > > > think > > > > of them for long. the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the > individual is > > > proud > > > > of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and become more aware that i > am > > not > > > the > > > > individual. am i progressing? no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > yes. > > > and > > > no. > > > > > > > > > ar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > You can talk with dogs..............travel to astral cities.........levitate.........or manifest > rolex > > watches for your friends..........but.......if you continue to believe that there is a " you " > doing > > anything......(including 'progressing' spiritually)......you are deeply mired in the dream > of > > identification. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Yessiree Monsieu 'toombaru' and who are you that hides behind that name? > > > > Not identifying is the same as identifying. > > > > 'Nisargadatta' is not the name his mother gave him. > > > > > > > > Life is the be lived my Beloved, > > > 'Life' IS the living. > > > > > not to be relegated amoung the dead and the near dead, the thinking of identification. > > > Identification IS death. > > > > > > Once and finally answered in who thinks/dreams/of/as " identification. " > > > > Only Is IS. I Am That. > > > > ar > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > You are much more than that. > > > You are this. > > > toombaru > > > I Am > > This > > Is-IS? ;-) > > > and U are the toombaru part of me..........my Beloved........... and..............and.............and............ > > who shall I omit from this? and why? > > The realization is only the end of identification. It is the living.....ever flowing spring.......of this. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: >the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual >is proud of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and >become more aware that i am not the individual. am i progressing? no. The river flows to the ocean, always. It is the law of gravity. There is such joy, such bliss In looking at that what is After having seen what is not. Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> > wrote: > >the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual > >is proud of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and > >become more aware that i am not the individual. am i progressing? no. > > The river flows to the ocean, always. > It is the law of gravity. No river ever flowed into an ocean. toombaru > > There is such joy, such bliss > In looking at that what is > After having seen what is not. > > Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: >No river ever flowed into an ocean. And noone ever wrote this! Yessss. :-) S. (the noone who never wrote that nobody wrote this) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 - toombaru2004 Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:43 PM Re: none Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> > wrote: > >the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual > >is proud of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and > >become more aware that i am not the individual. am i progressing? no. > > The river flows to the ocean, always. > It is the law of gravity. No river ever flowed into an ocean. toombaru sorry toomie, i just e/m Stefan the internal river flows into the eternal ocean. care to disagree? ;-) > > There is such joy, such bliss > In looking at that what is > After having seen what is not. > > Stefan ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > dannyc_1eyeluv > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:35 PM > Re: none > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > " I Am' is the center......and the circumference of the dream. > > > > > > Nisargadatta speaks of going beyond the I Am. > > > > > > toombaru > > " beyond " is just another deluded thought. > > all these so called gurus & messiahs make promises but they never > deliver. it's always tomorrow, beyond, yonder... keep the sheeple > deluded with false hopes; it's one of the oldest tricks in the book in > controlling the masses. even suicide bombers expect to receive their > reward in the great beyond... > > what a racket! > > dannyc > > > > Hi dannyc, > > All the great ones, (I have not physically heard them) and the lesser known ones all speak the > same thing: it is only 'your thinking' that sets 'you' apart. See who is thinking first. > > The kingdom of heaven is a completed one existing here and now, regardless of what one thinks.. > > Only 'you' can prove it otherwise... > > ar who are these " great ones " of whom you speak? if you have not heard any of these great ones physically speak, how do you know what they said or whether they all said the same thing? you should take your own advice & see who it is that is thinking up all this bullshit about " great ones " & how you know they all said the same thing. you have no way of knowing anything. you just repeat what others have told you, like a parrot. for instance, you use the phrase " kingdom of heaven " : millions of christians parrot " kingdom of heaven " over & over like trained herd animals, never questioning what they've been taught. this religious dogma is just a feeble attempt by the priest-class & their political operatives to domesticate the human animal. and, a piss poor job it has done, at that. dannyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv " <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > " I Am' is the center......and the circumference of the dream. > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta speaks of going beyond the I Am. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > " beyond " is just another deluded thought. > > > > all these so called gurus & messiahs make promises but they never > > deliver. it's always tomorrow, beyond, yonder... keep the sheeple > > deluded with false hopes; it's one of the oldest tricks in the book in > > controlling the masses. even suicide bombers expect to receive their > > reward in the great beyond... > > > > what a racket! > > > > dannyc > > > The one who is aware of the 'racket'............is the mother of all rackets. > > > toombaru the one who is aware that all this hogwash about " the great beyond " (or " nirvana " or " kingdom of heaven " or " paradise " or " liberation " , etc., etc.) being a racket used in the hands of the cunning against the gullible & the simple minded is word to your mother. dannyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:43 PM > Re: none > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> > > wrote: > > >the individual life keeps on living itself, some of it the individual > > >is proud of, some of it the individual is not, but i watch it and > > >become more aware that i am not the individual. am i progressing? no. > > > > The river flows to the ocean, always. > > It is the law of gravity. > > > > > No river ever flowed into an ocean. > > > > toombaru > > > > sorry toomie, > i just e/m Stefan > > the internal river > flows > into the eternal ocean. > > care to disagree? ;-) > > > > > > > > There is such joy, such bliss > > In looking at that what is > > After having seen what is not. > > > > Stefan > > > > > ** > Water is only............and always water. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > dannyc_1eyeluv > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:39 PM > Re: none > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > dannyc_1eyeluv > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:35 PM > > Re: none > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > " I Am' is the center......and the circumference of the dream. > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta speaks of going beyond the I Am. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > " beyond " is just another deluded thought. > > > > all these so called gurus & messiahs make promises but they never > > deliver. it's always tomorrow, beyond, yonder... keep the sheeple > > deluded with false hopes; it's one of the oldest tricks in the book in > > controlling the masses. even suicide bombers expect to receive their > > reward in the great beyond... > > > > what a racket! > > > > dannyc > > > > > > > > Hi dannyc, > > > > All the great ones, (I have not physically heard them) and the > lesser known ones all speak the > > same thing: it is only 'your thinking' that sets 'you' apart. > See who is thinking first. > > > > The kingdom of heaven is a completed one existing here and now, > regardless of what one thinks.. > > > > Only 'you' can prove it otherwise... > > > > ar > > > who are these " great ones " of whom you speak? if you have not heard > any of these great ones physically speak, how do you know what they > said or whether they all said the same thing? you should take your own > advice & see who it is that is thinking up all this bullshit about > " great ones " & how you know they all said the same thing. > > you have no way of knowing anything. you just repeat what others have > told you, like a parrot. for instance, you use the phrase " kingdom of > heaven " : millions of christians parrot " kingdom of heaven " over & over > like trained herd animals, never questioning what they've been taught. > this religious dogma is just a feeble attempt by the priest-class & > their political operatives to domesticate the human animal. and, a > piss poor job it has done, at that. > > dannyc > > > hmm wrong foot, eh? > > I was following the thread about " gurus and messiahs " , and they are placed 'above' > and held in greatness, is this not so, whether or not you beLIEve in their great-ness. > > I know from my experience of my life, what resonates in my heart, and I now respond > more and more only with love, a sense of no separation between 'you' and 'me'. Sometimes > love is not what it may seem to be at first glance.... > > We have to know and see Who loves before we can truly BE love. > > Unless I hear something from someone's own mouth, I know it can be a fallacy, > written, misunderstood at least, and twisted to be self-serving. And what the Naz > is attributed to saying: " greater works than this you will do " , paraphrased Something > many Christians never ever acknowledge. > > Again, are the words alive, are they words made 'flesh'? Do the words create joy and > life and love, peace and clarity in one's heart? Which words do we select to make > real, Reality, with a capital R? Hell or Heaven, our choice, I would think... > > ar > ------------------------------ forget about the words. the words are just bullshit; fallacious. you know nothing. look for yourself. everything that you said above has simply been learned by rote; i hear this same kind of new age psychobabble coming out of people's mouths all the time like they are programmed robots. none of this programming is yours. you've imbibed it & now you spew it back out like a well trained animal. you don't speak the words; the words speak you. dannyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 > > ------------------------------ > > forget about the words. the words are just bullshit; fallacious. you > know nothing. look for yourself. everything that you said above has > simply been learned by rote; i hear this same kind of new age > psychobabble coming out of people's mouths all the time like they are > programmed robots. none of this programming is yours. you've imbibed > it & now you spew it back out like a well trained animal. you don't > speak the words; the words speak you. > > dannyc Using words.......to tell how useless words are.........is like washing blood with blood. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 - toombaru2004 Nisargadatta Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:56 PM Re: none > > ------------------------------ > > forget about the words. the words are just bullshit; fallacious. you > know nothing. look for yourself. everything that you said above has > simply been learned by rote; i hear this same kind of new age > psychobabble coming out of people's mouths all the time like they are > programmed robots. none of this programming is yours. you've imbibed > it & now you spew it back out like a well trained animal. you don't > speak the words; the words speak you. > > dannyc Using words.......to tell how useless words are.........is like washing blood with blood. toombaru Hi beloved friends There is a middle road here, What you consider bs, Dan is just that: your considerations. No big thing unless you think it is. But the ending 4 words is the middle road: " the words speak you " . When and if the words speak you, 'you' are spoken 'through', here only truth, clairity, love, joy and bliss speak. And toomie, washing blood with blood is symbolic of Being the connection with God/All There Is, once man 'dies' and is resurrected in Self, the real or authentic Self, when the scripted character is seen for the no-thing it is....and now we Live This. Perhaps these words have been spoken thru me, and Who has seen it..... ar ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > forget about the words. the words are just bullshit; fallacious. you > > know nothing. look for yourself. everything that you said above has > > simply been learned by rote; i hear this same kind of new age > > psychobabble coming out of people's mouths all the time like they are > > programmed robots. none of this programming is yours. you've imbibed > > it & now you spew it back out like a well trained animal. you don't > > speak the words; the words speak you. > > > > dannyc > > > Using words.......to tell how useless words are.........is like washing blood with blood. > > > > toombaru words are useful in practical matters. they can be used to explain how to fix the plumbing or how to program a computer, how to bake a cake, etc., etc. but, other than that, they have no constructive use. thought has evolved in our particular species as a tool for survival. thought is a defense mechanism. thought is violent. it is concerned only with self preservation. every new invention, every new scientific discovery by man is put to use as a means to destroy, to war, to agress. all thought goes into weaponry & information technology as a means to dominate. knowledge is power. dannyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv " <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > forget about the words. the words are just bullshit; fallacious. you > > > > know nothing. look for yourself. everything that you said above has > > > > simply been learned by rote; i hear this same kind of new age > > > > psychobabble coming out of people's mouths all the time like they are > > > > programmed robots. none of this programming is yours. you've imbibed > > > > it & now you spew it back out like a well trained animal. you don't > > > > speak the words; the words speak you. > > > > > > > > dannyc > > > > > > > > > Using words.......to tell how useless words are.........is like > > washing blood with blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > words are useful in practical matters. they can be used to explain how > > to fix the plumbing or how to program a computer, how to bake a cake, > > etc., etc. but, other than that, they have no constructive use. > > thought has evolved in our particular species as a tool for survival. > > thought is a defense mechanism. thought is violent. it is concerned > > only with self preservation. every new invention, every new scientific > > discovery by man is put to use as a means to destroy, to war, to > > agress. all thought goes into weaponry & information technology as a > > means to dominate. knowledge is power. > > > > dannyc > > > The horror of being an identified entity...... creates a very realistic fear of not being. Separation is the mother of fear. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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