Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Vedantists are as other worldly as fundamentalist Christians who believe that God is in heaven not here. Heaven is where they will go AFTER they die. That is another word, for institutionalized spiritual estrangement -- something emperor Constantine created in the 4th century at the Nicene Council with a design to own the world. The main controversy stemmed from what was called the Nicene Creed, a statement of Christian faith that was adopted by the Nicene Council which clearly affirmed that heaven was elsewhere than here. It is remarkable that Vedanta also creates that same alienation from Spirit the well known Brahman- Maya split while calling it non-duality. That represents a deep duality, dissociation, and denial. The deepness of that denial is that the Vedantists think that they are non-dualists most of them, but have in Reality created their own drama which may I add won't end until they drop their own self imposed Vedantic filter. Advaita Vedanta states, that nothing exists in and by itself -- in a vacuum as an ego. Indeed these interconnections between all beings, all of creation in All Our Relations is the realization of the non-dual Hence it is fundamentally non-dual based on union/integration versus a separation from something, an affirmation of sacred non-dual universal presence -- the boundless realm of All Our Relations. Thus the first step in this spiritual process is to make the inquiry which must challenge all sacred cows and institutionalized authority. The second step when this external knowledge knowledge about something and programming has been discarded, then one has space for the inner clarity and grace to arise (prasdam) which is subtle beyond the most subtle -- objectless. **The ineffable great ground of pure beingness and consciousness, disclosed through the removal of falsehood neti.neti reveals our true and essential nature eternal, uncontrived, natural, innate, and " self " abiding -- from which all are related -- the spark behind the flame and the flame are one, not two -- the sparkling spirit which animates and breathes life into the world at each and every moment unending. - The reality where all relations of a separate " self " are seen as an illusion, where, the Reality of All Our Relations shines bright ... and THAT is how it really is " neti-neti " is the most direct approach to Self-knowledge. How else could one know the true Self who is not bound by objects, if not from every cell in your very body and every cell in the universe and every non-cell, and non-atom. The expression, neti -- neti, literally means " not that, not this " in the context of we are not separate egos, we can not ever be defined as being separate from spirit without introducing a delusion. Era from the page Neti Neti-More than this .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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