Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Friends: Reality is just Sequential Moments of Mentality & Materiality! Body and Mind (Name & Form, Naming & Forming)! The mind is that, which knows the object... The object is that, which is known...!!! These two processes always arise and cease together, instantly & simultaneously... Neither inside, nor within, nor apart from these two, is any observer, person, I, Me, or other assumed entity as a hidden variable, ever involved! The mind is immaterial, formless and invisible. The object may be 'material', 'physical', 'formed' and even 'visible' only and exactly to the extent and in so far as it is experiencable by mind! No same, constant, lasting 'real', 'actual' or 'Substantial Substance' ever has existed 'Out There' independently or separable from the mind, that momentarily perceived & thereby apprehended, displayed, manifested and designated it! This core dual pair of Mentality & Materiality, is thus one united continuum, like the two ends of the same stick! They do never emerge, nor do they ever exist, nor can they ever be observed separately, in and of themselves, but they can only arise in mutual dependence, like two thin creepers can only arise & stand up if intertwined. Mentality & materiality/body and mind thus arise & cease simultaneously in each contiguous moment! They are thus the most basic & primary pair on the bottom of the dynamic process of being in any existence... Matter is delimited, defined, characterized, conceptualized, classified, designated & even named by mind! Therefore can matter never be separated from mind, like if one tries to break the 'dual' stick, always ends up with 2 sticks, still each with two ends!! Therefore one unambiguously always will be observing a pair-wise new arisen event of mentality & materiality...!!! Thus, the basic founding - yet often unnoticed, unspoken & maybe even sometimes actively denied - assumption underlying every modern Western science that: 'Matter can be observed & analyzed objectively, independently of mind!' is therefore utterly false, futile and even somewhat childish...The naive physicist who postulates: 'Independently of Mind, " I! " will observe, describe and evaluate matter!!!' extending out of his range of understanding, thus speaks folly & false and is thereby later ultimately enforced to introduce 'mysti-phystical' entities as 'hidden variables' into his explanations, in order to reach completeness, coherence & consistence... He seems to be in complete oblivion of the fact, that even before anyone even thinks of, even speaks of, or experiment with any 'matter', mind have indeed been long at work...!!! The basic hidden, yet always present, factor in any observation, is naturally mind itself! However, this factor is not so hidden, that it cannot be observed & analyzed, and that even without any laboratory, or even a single 'instrument', apart from a pillow to sit on!!! Everyone, without even a single exception, who sits down with closed eyes, will instantly be overwhelmed by a veritable storm of mentally created distractions: This is the Mind! When this dynamic self-sustaining duality of mentality-materiality, this perpetum mobile,ceases to evolve, consciousness thereby ceases to establish itself on another object! This - only this, in and of itself - is the very final End of all Suffering... -=-=-=-=-=- Bhikkhu Samahita, Sri Lanka. Friendship is the Greatest ... Let there be Calm & Free Bliss !!! http://www.What-Buddha-Said.org/ Buddha-Direct What_Buddha_Said Dhamma-Questions sent to my email are quite Welcome. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 there is no such thing as mind. you only think there is. dannyc Nisargadatta , " Era " <n0ndual@w...> wrote: > > > > Friends: Reality is just Sequential Moments of Mentality & Materiality! > Body and Mind > > (Name & Form, Naming & Forming)! > > The mind is that, which knows the object... > The object is that, which is known...!!! > These two processes always arise and cease together, > instantly & simultaneously... > Neither inside, nor within, nor apart from these two, > is any observer, person, I, Me, > or other assumed entity as a hidden variable, ever involved! > > > The mind is immaterial, formless and invisible. > The object may be 'material', 'physical', 'formed' > and even 'visible' only and exactly to the extent and in > so far as it is experiencable by mind! > No same, constant, lasting 'real', 'actual' or 'Substantial Substance' > ever has existed 'Out There' independently or separable from the mind, > that momentarily perceived & thereby apprehended, displayed, > manifested and designated it! > > This core dual pair of Mentality & Materiality, is thus one united > continuum, > like the two ends of the same stick! They do never emerge, nor do > they ever exist, nor can they ever be observed separately, in and of > themselves, > but they can only arise in mutual dependence, like > two thin creepers can only arise & stand up if intertwined. > > Mentality & materiality/body and mind > thus arise & cease simultaneously in each contiguous moment! > They are thus the most basic & primary pair on the bottom of the > dynamic process of being in any existence... > > Matter is delimited, defined, characterized, conceptualized, classified, > designated & even named by mind! Therefore can matter never be > separated from mind, like if one tries to break the 'dual' stick, always > ends > up with 2 sticks, still each with two ends!! Therefore one unambiguously > always will be observing a pair-wise new arisen event of > mentality & materiality...!!! > > Thus, the basic founding - yet often unnoticed, unspoken & > maybe even sometimes actively denied - assumption underlying > every modern Western science that: 'Matter can be observed & analyzed > objectively, independently of mind!' is therefore utterly false, futile and > even somewhat childish...The naive physicist who postulates: 'Independently > of Mind, " I! " will observe, describe and evaluate matter!!!' > extending out of his range of understanding, thus speaks folly & false > and is thereby later ultimately enforced to introduce 'mysti-phystical' > entities as 'hidden variables' into his explanations, in order to reach > completeness, > coherence & consistence... > > He seems to be in complete oblivion of the fact, that even before > anyone even thinks of, even speaks of, or experiment with any 'matter', > mind have indeed been long at work...!!! > > The basic hidden, yet always present, factor in any observation, > is naturally mind itself! However, this factor is not so hidden, that it > cannot > be observed & analyzed, and that even without any laboratory, or even a > single 'instrument', apart from a pillow to sit on!!! Everyone, without even > a single > exception, who sits down with closed eyes, will instantly be overwhelmed by > a > veritable storm of mentally created distractions: This is the Mind! > > When this dynamic self-sustaining duality of mentality-materiality, this > perpetum mobile,ceases to evolve, consciousness thereby ceases to establish > itself on another object! This - only this, in and of itself - > is the very final End of all Suffering... > > -=-=-=-=-=- > > > Bhikkhu Samahita, Sri Lanka. > > Friendship is the Greatest ... > Let there be Calm & Free Bliss !!! > > http://www.What-Buddha-Said.org/ > Buddha-Direct > What_Buddha_Said > Dhamma-Questions sent to my email are quite Welcome. > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote: > there is no such thing as mind. you only think there is. > > dannyc > Yes, in the words of the Buddha: With the arising of consciousness there is the arising of mentality-materiality. With the cessation of consciousness there is the cessation of mentality-materiality. The way leading to the cessation of mentality-materiality is just this Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view... right concentration. 55. " When a noble disciple has thus understood mentality-materiality, the origin of mentality-materiality, the cessation of mentality-materiality, and the way leading to the cessation of mentality-materiality... he here and now makes an end of suffering. In that way too a noble disciple is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma. " 58. " And what is consciousness, what is the origin of consciousness, what is the cessation of consciousness, what is the way leading to the cessation of consciousness? There are these six classes of consciousness: eye-consciousness, ear-consciousness, nose-consciousness, tongue-consciousness, body-consciousness, mind-consciousness. With the arising of formations there is the arising of consciousness. With the cessation of formations there is the cessation of consciousness. The way leading to the cessation of consciousness is just this Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view... right concentration. 59. " When a noble disciple has thus understood consciousness, the origin of consciousness, the cessation of consciousness, and the way leading to the cessation of consciousness... he here and now makes an end of suffering. In that way too a noble disciple is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma. " <http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/sutta/majjhima/mn009.html> > > Friends: Reality is just Sequential Moments of Mentality & Materiality! > > Body and Mind > > > > (Name & Form, Naming & Forming)! > > > > The mind is that, which knows the object... > > The object is that, which is known...!!! > > These two processes always arise and cease together, > > instantly & simultaneously... > > Neither inside, nor within, nor apart from these two, > > is any observer, person, I, Me, > > or other assumed entity as a hidden variable, ever involved! > > > > > > The mind is immaterial, formless and invisible. > > The object may be 'material', 'physical', 'formed' > > and even 'visible' only and exactly to the extent and in > > so far as it is experiencable by mind! > > No same, constant, lasting 'real', 'actual' or 'Substantial Substance' > > ever has existed 'Out There' independently or separable from the mind, > > that momentarily perceived & thereby apprehended, displayed, > > manifested and designated it! > > > > This core dual pair of Mentality & Materiality, is thus one united > > continuum, > > like the two ends of the same stick! They do never emerge, nor do > > they ever exist, nor can they ever be observed separately, in and of > > themselves, > > but they can only arise in mutual dependence, like > > two thin creepers can only arise & stand up if intertwined. > > > > Mentality & materiality/body and mind > > thus arise & cease simultaneously in each contiguous moment! > > They are thus the most basic & primary pair on the bottom of the > > dynamic process of being in any existence... > > > > Matter is delimited, defined, characterized, conceptualized, classified, > > designated & even named by mind! Therefore can matter never be > > separated from mind, like if one tries to break the 'dual' stick, always > > ends > > up with 2 sticks, still each with two ends!! Therefore one unambiguously > > always will be observing a pair-wise new arisen event of > > mentality & materiality...!!! > > > > Thus, the basic founding - yet often unnoticed, unspoken & > > maybe even sometimes actively denied - assumption underlying > > every modern Western science that: 'Matter can be observed & analyzed > > objectively, independently of mind!' is therefore utterly false, > futile and > > even somewhat childish...The naive physicist who postulates: > 'Independently > > of Mind, " I! " will observe, describe and evaluate matter!!!' > > extending out of his range of understanding, thus speaks folly & false > > and is thereby later ultimately enforced to introduce 'mysti-phystical' > > entities as 'hidden variables' into his explanations, in order to reach > > completeness, > > coherence & consistence... > > > > He seems to be in complete oblivion of the fact, that even before > > anyone even thinks of, even speaks of, or experiment with any 'matter', > > mind have indeed been long at work...!!! > > > > The basic hidden, yet always present, factor in any observation, > > is naturally mind itself! However, this factor is not so hidden, that it > > cannot > > be observed & analyzed, and that even without any laboratory, or even a > > single 'instrument', apart from a pillow to sit on!!! Everyone, > without even > > a single > > exception, who sits down with closed eyes, will instantly be > overwhelmed by > > a > > veritable storm of mentally created distractions: This is the Mind! > > > > When this dynamic self-sustaining duality of mentality-materiality, this > > perpetum mobile,ceases to evolve, consciousness thereby ceases to > establish > > itself on another object! This - only this, in and of itself - > > is the very final End of all Suffering... > > > > -=-=-=-=-=- > > > > > > Bhikkhu Samahita, Sri Lanka. > > > > Friendship is the Greatest ... > > Let there be Calm & Free Bliss !!! > > > > http://www.What-Buddha-Said.org/ > > Buddha-Direct > > What_Buddha_Said > > Dhamma-Questions sent to my email are quite Welcome. > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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