Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Lord Datta is essentially a teacher. His very nature is the nature of a teacher. If you study the nature of teacher, you have understood the very nature of Datta. The aim of mother, father and teacher is only the welfare of the child. But, mother and father may become lenient due to their blind intensive love on the child. But, the love of a teacher (Guru) is never blind and is always aimed at the welfare of student. The love of father and mother may sometimes spoil the welfare of the child. Therefore, Datta treats all the living beings in the creation as His students and not as His issues. Therefore, the teacher is more than father and mother. The Lord created fruits for both good and bad actions. Why should He create a fruit for an action? Let there be acts without fruits. The child does mischief, but the mother or father does not punish. In that case, there is no fruit for that action. Similarly, let the Lord not punish our sins. If you expect like this, the answer is that the Lord does not behave like father or mother but behaves only as a teacher. The child gets spoiled if the mischief is tolerated. We are seeing this in the world. The teacher will never tolerate the spoiling of the child and therefore, He will not tolerate the mischief. God uses the fruits of your sins as punishments and the only aim is your welfare. This is the reason why Datta is always called as Guru Datta. Therefore, guru or teacher is greatest. The results of bad deeds are used as punishments to transform and uplift the student. Therefore, the result of a bad deed is very very useful for the transformation of the soul. The results of your good deeds are given to you just as a relaxation between two punishments. When He punishes systematically, He is called as Yama. In the interval when you receive happiness, He is Indra. Sometimes He gives severe punishments with roaring sound. He is called as Kala Bhairava at that time. The hell is the special equipment for punishment. The aim of the punishment is only the real welfare. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dattapr2000 " <dattapr2000> wrote: > Lord Datta is essentially a teacher. His very nature is the nature > of a teacher. If you study the nature of teacher, you have > understood the very nature of Datta. The aim of mother, father and > teacher is only the welfare of the child. But, mother and father may > become lenient due to their blind intensive love on the child. But, > the love of a teacher (Guru) is never blind and is always aimed at > the welfare of student. The love of father and mother may sometimes > spoil the welfare of the child. Therefore, Datta treats all the > living beings in the creation as His students and not as His issues. > Therefore, the teacher is more than father and mother. > > The Lord created fruits for both good and bad actions. Why should He > create a fruit for an action? Let there be acts without fruits. The > child does mischief, but the mother or father does not punish. In > that case, there is no fruit for that action. Similarly, let the > Lord not punish our sins. If you expect like this, the answer is > that the Lord does not behave like father or mother but behaves only > as a teacher. The child gets spoiled if the mischief is tolerated. > We are seeing this in the world. The teacher will never tolerate the > spoiling of the child and therefore, He will not tolerate the > mischief. > > God uses the fruits of your sins as punishments and the only aim is > your welfare. This is the reason why Datta is always called as Guru > Datta. Therefore, guru or teacher is greatest. The results of bad > deeds are used as punishments to transform and uplift the student. > Therefore, the result of a bad deed is very very useful for the > transformation of the soul. The results of your good deeds are given > to you just as a relaxation between two punishments. When He > punishes systematically, He is called as Yama. In the interval when > you receive happiness, He is Indra. Sometimes He gives severe > punishments with roaring sound. He is called as Kala Bhairava at > that time. The hell is the special equipment for punishment. The aim > of the punishment is only the real welfare. > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org At first we may need to learn how to not make mischiefs starting as a child and when we grow up we still need some guidance because our tendency for mischief. But true liberation comes only when we are whole. Then we are free from doing mischief. Mischief is simply our tendency to rush ahead without being aware of the whole picture. Nothing wrong with striving forward, but that has to be a movement in harmony with the whole. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dattapr2000 " <dattapr2000> > wrote: > > Lord Datta is essentially a teacher. His very nature is the nature > > of a teacher. If you study the nature of teacher, you have > > understood the very nature of Datta. The aim of mother, father and > > teacher is only the welfare of the child. But, mother and father may > > become lenient due to their blind intensive love on the child. But, > > the love of a teacher (Guru) is never blind and is always aimed at > > the welfare of student. The love of father and mother may sometimes > > spoil the welfare of the child. Therefore, Datta treats all the > > living beings in the creation as His students and not as His issues. > > Therefore, the teacher is more than father and mother. > > > > The Lord created fruits for both good and bad actions. Why should He > > create a fruit for an action? Let there be acts without fruits. The > > child does mischief, but the mother or father does not punish. In > > that case, there is no fruit for that action. Similarly, let the > > Lord not punish our sins. If you expect like this, the answer is > > that the Lord does not behave like father or mother but behaves only > > as a teacher. The child gets spoiled if the mischief is tolerated. > > We are seeing this in the world. The teacher will never tolerate the > > spoiling of the child and therefore, He will not tolerate the > > mischief. > > > > God uses the fruits of your sins as punishments and the only aim is > > your welfare. This is the reason why Datta is always called as Guru > > Datta. Therefore, guru or teacher is greatest. The results of bad > > deeds are used as punishments to transform and uplift the student. > > Therefore, the result of a bad deed is very very useful for the > > transformation of the soul. The results of your good deeds are given > > to you just as a relaxation between two punishments. When He > > punishes systematically, He is called as Yama. In the interval when > > you receive happiness, He is Indra. Sometimes He gives severe > > punishments with roaring sound. He is called as Kala Bhairava at > > that time. The hell is the special equipment for punishment. The aim > > of the punishment is only the real welfare. > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > At first we may need to learn how to not make mischiefs starting as a > child and when we grow up we still need some guidance because our > tendency for mischief. But true liberation comes only when we are > whole. Then we are free from doing mischief. Mischief is simply our > tendency to rush ahead without being aware of the whole picture. > Nothing wrong with striving forward, but that has to be a movement in > harmony with the whole. > > al. Note that being free of mischief is not the same as having an inner authority that hinders oneself from doing certain things. One must be totally free to do whatever one feels like doing. Otherwise there is no real freedom. This requires an extraordinary form of disciplin which can only come about as a balance between thought-based desire and desire for the present moment. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one's deeds. There is nothing like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a cinema only. Most of the times, we misunderstand God and interpret wrongly. For proper understanding of Him, we should learn the divine knowledge and practice it. Lord preaches the true spiritual knowledge in human form only, like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed. His mission is to uplift human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. We should participate in His mission as His servants without aspiring anything in return. The practical participation (in form of donating money and physically spending \by working) will only prove our devotion. Real love involves sacrifice. When we sacrifice ourselves and serve our kith-kin we are getting enjoyment. Our enjoyment comes with the enjoyment of our beloved, which clearly shows that the true love involves sacrifice. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org >One must be > totally free to do whatever one feels like doing. Otherwise there is > no real freedom. This requires an extraordinary form of disciplin > which can only come about as a balance between thought-based desire > and desire for the present moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dattapr2000 " <dattapr2000> wrote: > Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will > to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results > will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to > say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery > is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. > Otherwise, He is not responsible for one's deeds. There is nothing > like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a > cinema only. > > Most of the times, we misunderstand God and interpret wrongly. For > proper understanding of Him, we should learn the divine knowledge > and practice it. Lord preaches the true spiritual knowledge in human > form only, like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed. His mission is > to uplift human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. We should > participate in His mission as His servants without aspiring anything > in return. The practical participation (in form of donating money > and physically spending \by working) will only prove our devotion. > > Real love involves sacrifice. When we sacrifice ourselves and serve > our kith-kin we are getting enjoyment. Our enjoyment comes with the > enjoyment of our beloved, which clearly shows that the true love > involves sacrifice. > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > I believe suffering is a result of karma. And here is my (brand new definition of karma: " ... We can use this speculative idea about planetary organism to examine other things in all of the different areas of research. On a spiritual level, we can for example look at karma, which in relation to the hypothesis depicted above *) is the effect of incompleteness of a holon in relation to the next higher level of holon. When the planetary organism is born, then the lower holons (humans) will no longer have karma because they will then work in harmony with the higher level of holon (Gaia). " *) See: Nisargadatta/message/26371 Gaia, is our planet taking the next step in evolution; the leap into a planetary organism. Indra's Net expands forever: from atoms, to molecules, to cells to multi-celled organisms such has humans and then into planetary organisms such as Gaia, then into galactic organisms, and so on... Cells are alive in the sense that the whole Kosmos is alive, but a cell is hardly self-aware as humans are. We should be able to predict some attributes of a planetary organism. The first is that it will be a holon with full representation in all four quadrants *). Today it is more or less only humans who have a complete upper left quadrant (Interior-Individual). A planetary organism would have a complete upper left quadrant, i.e. the planet would be aware of itself as an individual. The sense of self in a planetary organism, such as Gaia, would be a global consciousness, primarily expressed through a collective mind among humanity. This means that the sense of self for each human being would be both as an individual person and as the planetary consciousness (which transcends and includes all the individual humans). One interesting thing is that for a planetary organism, the lower left quadrant (Interior-Collective Cultural) would be a collective with OTHER planetary organisms. So the reason that we have not seen any sentient beings from outer space yet is that our planet must take the leap into the level of planetary organism before this will happen. *) For an explanation of quadrants, see: http://www.answers.com/aqal al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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