Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 I made a definition of karma in relation to the hypothesis of a planetary organism in another post. We can make a more general definition of karma: Karma is our inability to make choices in harmony with the greater whole. We are only making choices about limited things in the universe. We don't choose how to digest our food, or how electrical signals shall travel inside our nervous system. So who makes all these kinds of choices? One idea is that consciousness is always one step ahead of physical matter. Consciousness can be seen as the unmoved mover, the One Subject or what we sometimes call God. Consciousness has already made the ultimate choice of creation, and we are simply working our way up the line of this choice. Or, to be more correct, consciousness is PULLING us up towards itself. The more we become aligned with the ultimate choice, the less karma we experience. While the choices we make are important, the end result is always guaranteed. We are safe in the hands of God and although we may come closer and closer to the Will of God, we will never reach some destination because in order for consciousness to be, there must be some " stuff " for it to experience, hence ever more choices to be made. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > I made a definition of karma in relation to the hypothesis of a > planetary organism in another post. > > We can make a more general definition of karma: > > Karma is our inability to make choices in harmony with the greater whole. > > We are only making choices about limited things in the universe. We > don't choose how to digest our food, or how electrical signals shall > travel inside our nervous system. So who makes all these kinds of > choices? One idea is that consciousness is always one step ahead of > physical matter. Consciousness can be seen as the unmoved mover, the > One Subject or what we sometimes call God. Consciousness has already > made the ultimate choice of creation, and we are simply working our > way up the line of this choice. Or, to be more correct, consciousness > is PULLING us up towards itself. The more we become aligned with the > ultimate choice, the less karma we experience. While the choices we > make are important, the end result is always guaranteed. We are safe > in the hands of God and although we may come closer and closer to the > Will of God, we will never reach some destination because in order for > consciousness to be, there must be some " stuff " for it to experience, > hence ever more choices to be made. > > al. Hi al., maybe " Karma " is " created " by the " law of Karma " .... what is this law about? every action , done without consciousness of the " whole " ...create some Karma....means, develop an ego-mind.... this ego-mind create so, do to Karma law, attachment first, to an (own) " seperated " body-mind-intellect....and also to " others " or " seperated " appearing objects.... Karma leads to an ego-mind related perception of the world.....means, a perception which can't " see " the truth.....the " wholeness " ..... the " wholeness " in which there are no seperations.... because in " reality " ...there are no seperations.....and so, no real ego-minds......., everybody who " think " or feel he/she is this body- mind-intellect....live in " illusion " .....or " Maya " " God " ....the inner love of the heart....can " cross " this Maya..... because there are never any " limitations " of " God " living in the (own) hearts... the " whole " ...or " Oneness " ....or " Brahman " ......is the real Self... the sum total of non-identification with " Brahman " is " Maya " .... this are few words and thoughts only...... writing to the Self.....in all.....of all...... ......trying to respect the law of Karma.... in just trying to be....mySelf.... Regards and love Marc PS: thanks for your definition: " The screen/paper is Noumenon, and the movie/writings on it is Phenomena. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > I made a definition of karma in relation to the hypothesis of a > > planetary organism in another post. > > > > We can make a more general definition of karma: > > > > Karma is our inability to make choices in harmony with the greater > whole. > > > > We are only making choices about limited things in the universe. We > > don't choose how to digest our food, or how electrical signals shall > > travel inside our nervous system. So who makes all these kinds of > > choices? One idea is that consciousness is always one step ahead of > > physical matter. Consciousness can be seen as the unmoved mover, the > > One Subject or what we sometimes call God. Consciousness has already > > made the ultimate choice of creation, and we are simply working our > > way up the line of this choice. Or, to be more correct, > consciousness > > is PULLING us up towards itself. The more we become aligned with the > > ultimate choice, the less karma we experience. While the choices we > > make are important, the end result is always guaranteed. We are safe > > in the hands of God and although we may come closer and closer to > the > > Will of God, we will never reach some destination because in order > for > > consciousness to be, there must be some " stuff " for it to > experience, > > hence ever more choices to be made. > > > > al. > > Hi al., > > maybe " Karma " is " created " by the " law of Karma " .... > what is this law about? > > every action , done without consciousness of the " whole " ...create > some Karma....means, develop an ego-mind.... > > this ego-mind create so, do to Karma law, attachment first, to an > (own) " seperated " body-mind-intellect....and also to " others " > or " seperated " appearing objects.... > > Karma leads to an ego-mind related perception of the world.....means, > a perception which can't " see " the truth.....the " wholeness " ..... > the " wholeness " in which there are no seperations.... > > because in " reality " ...there are no seperations.....and so, no real > ego-minds......., everybody who " think " or feel he/she is this body- > mind-intellect....live in " illusion " .....or " Maya " > > " God " ....the inner love of the heart....can " cross " this Maya..... > because there are never any " limitations " of " God " living in the (own) > hearts... > > the " whole " ...or " Oneness " ....or " Brahman " ......is the real Self... > > the sum total of non-identification with " Brahman " is " Maya " .... > > > this are few words and thoughts only...... > writing to the Self.....in all.....of all...... > .....trying to respect the law of Karma.... > in just trying to be....mySelf.... > > Regards and love > > Marc > PS: > thanks for your definition: > " The screen/paper is Noumenon, and the movie/writings on it is > Phenomena. " That was a good description of karma you gave. The ego and the sense of separation has to be created first but then we must find our way back to Brahman as the One and the Many. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > I made a definition of karma in relation to the hypothesis of a > > > planetary organism in another post. > > > > > > We can make a more general definition of karma: > > > > > > Karma is our inability to make choices in harmony with the greater > > whole. > > > > > > We are only making choices about limited things in the universe. We > > > don't choose how to digest our food, or how electrical signals shall > > > travel inside our nervous system. So who makes all these kinds of > > > choices? One idea is that consciousness is always one step ahead of > > > physical matter. Consciousness can be seen as the unmoved mover, the > > > One Subject or what we sometimes call God. Consciousness has already > > > made the ultimate choice of creation, and we are simply working our > > > way up the line of this choice. Or, to be more correct, > > consciousness > > > is PULLING us up towards itself. The more we become aligned with the > > > ultimate choice, the less karma we experience. While the choices we > > > make are important, the end result is always guaranteed. We are safe > > > in the hands of God and although we may come closer and closer to > > the > > > Will of God, we will never reach some destination because in order > > for > > > consciousness to be, there must be some " stuff " for it to > > experience, > > > hence ever more choices to be made. > > > > > > al. > > > > Hi al., > > > > maybe " Karma " is " created " by the " law of Karma " .... > > what is this law about? > > > > every action , done without consciousness of the " whole " ...create > > some Karma....means, develop an ego-mind.... > > > > this ego-mind create so, do to Karma law, attachment first, to an > > (own) " seperated " body-mind-intellect....and also to " others " > > or " seperated " appearing objects.... > > > > Karma leads to an ego-mind related perception of the world.....means, > > a perception which can't " see " the truth.....the " wholeness " ..... > > the " wholeness " in which there are no seperations.... > > > > because in " reality " ...there are no seperations.....and so, no real > > ego-minds......., everybody who " think " or feel he/she is this body- > > mind-intellect....live in " illusion " .....or " Maya " > > > > " God " ....the inner love of the heart....can " cross " this Maya..... > > because there are never any " limitations " of " God " living in the (own) > > hearts... > > > > the " whole " ...or " Oneness " ....or " Brahman " ......is the real Self... > > > > the sum total of non-identification with " Brahman " is " Maya " .... > > > > > > this are few words and thoughts only...... > > writing to the Self.....in all.....of all...... > > .....trying to respect the law of Karma.... > > in just trying to be....mySelf.... > > > > Regards and love > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: > > thanks for your definition: > > " The screen/paper is Noumenon, and the movie/writings on it is > > Phenomena. " > > > That was a good description of karma you gave. The ego and the sense > of separation has to be created first but then we must find our way > back to Brahman as the One and the Many. > > al. ....nothing " has to be created first " ...... Regards Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Anders, There is no separation becuse there is no one to be separated. There is only thought which separates itself, and tell me how can thought find back to Brahman (Brahman, which is just another thought) ? The more thought is identified with thought the more it feels separated, its a nice game, isn't it ? So many ways again for your hobby: Thinking ... Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > That was a good description of karma you gave. The ego and the sense > of separation has to be created first but then we must find our way > back to Brahman as the One and the Many. > > al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > I made a definition of karma in relation to the hypothesis of a > > > > planetary organism in another post. > > > > > > > > We can make a more general definition of karma: > > > > > > > > Karma is our inability to make choices in harmony with the > greater > > > whole. > > > > > > > > We are only making choices about limited things in the > universe. We > > > > don't choose how to digest our food, or how electrical signals > shall > > > > travel inside our nervous system. So who makes all these kinds > of > > > > choices? One idea is that consciousness is always one step > ahead of > > > > physical matter. Consciousness can be seen as the unmoved > mover, the > > > > One Subject or what we sometimes call God. Consciousness has > already > > > > made the ultimate choice of creation, and we are simply working > our > > > > way up the line of this choice. Or, to be more correct, > > > consciousness > > > > is PULLING us up towards itself. The more we become aligned > with the > > > > ultimate choice, the less karma we experience. While the > choices we > > > > make are important, the end result is always guaranteed. We are > safe > > > > in the hands of God and although we may come closer and closer > to > > > the > > > > Will of God, we will never reach some destination because in > order > > > for > > > > consciousness to be, there must be some " stuff " for it to > > > experience, > > > > hence ever more choices to be made. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > Hi al., > > > > > > maybe " Karma " is " created " by the " law of Karma " .... > > > what is this law about? > > > > > > every action , done without consciousness of the " whole " ...create > > > some Karma....means, develop an ego-mind.... > > > > > > this ego-mind create so, do to Karma law, attachment first, to an > > > (own) " seperated " body-mind-intellect....and also to " others " > > > or " seperated " appearing objects.... > > > > > > Karma leads to an ego-mind related perception of the > world.....means, > > > a perception which can't " see " the truth.....the " wholeness " ..... > > > the " wholeness " in which there are no seperations.... > > > > > > because in " reality " ...there are no seperations.....and so, no > real > > > ego-minds......., everybody who " think " or feel he/she is this > body- > > > mind-intellect....live in " illusion " .....or " Maya " > > > > > > " God " ....the inner love of the heart....can " cross " this Maya..... > > > because there are never any " limitations " of " God " living in the > (own) > > > hearts... > > > > > > the " whole " ...or " Oneness " ....or " Brahman " ......is the real > Self... > > > > > > the sum total of non-identification with " Brahman " is " Maya " .... > > > > > > > > > this are few words and thoughts only...... > > > writing to the Self.....in all.....of all...... > > > .....trying to respect the law of Karma.... > > > in just trying to be....mySelf.... > > > > > > Regards and love > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: > > > thanks for your definition: > > > " The screen/paper is Noumenon, and the movie/writings on it is > > > Phenomena. " > > > > > > That was a good description of karma you gave. The ego and the sense > > of separation has to be created first but then we must find our way > > back to Brahman as the One and the Many. > > > > al. > > ...nothing " has to be created first " ...... > > > Regards > > Marc I believe Consciousness/Brahman can only experience itself in the mirror of " things " . Therefore it has to be duality in existence. The first type of duality is time vs timelessness. In time there is the movement from past to future. This movement seems to me to go from simpler things to more complex things. For example, the computer you are using " has to be created first " before you could be able to use it. 20 years ago you would not have been able to read a post like this because there was no World Wide Web then. In an absolute sense everything just IS, but on a relative level things (including human beings, including egos) have to be created. Without the ego, humans would have no self-awareness as being separate individuals. So consciousness must go from Oneness to the illusion of separation (the Big Bang) so that it can go back again in the form of the One and the Many. Evolution is Oneness finding itself, not as Oneness, but as the One and the Many. This " trick " we can call evolution or creation. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Anders, > > There is no separation becuse there is no one to be separated. There > is only thought which separates itself, and tell me how can thought > find back to Brahman (Brahman, which is just another thought) ? > > The more thought is identified with thought the more it feels > separated, its a nice game, isn't it ? So many ways again for your > hobby: Thinking ... > > Werner I said the " sense " of separation. Wouldn't you say that on an experiential level your body is a separated from the computer screen you are looking at? You can for example walk away from the computer screen and it will (probably :-) not follow you. al. > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > That was a good description of karma you gave. The ego and the sense > > of separation has to be created first but then we must find our way > > back to Brahman as the One and the Many. > > > > al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > I made a definition of karma in relation to the hypothesis of a > > > > > planetary organism in another post. > > > > > > > > > > We can make a more general definition of karma: > > > > > > > > > > Karma is our inability to make choices in harmony with the > > greater > > > > whole. > > > > > > > > > > We are only making choices about limited things in the > > universe. We > > > > > don't choose how to digest our food, or how electrical signals > > shall > > > > > travel inside our nervous system. So who makes all these kinds > > of > > > > > choices? One idea is that consciousness is always one step > > ahead of > > > > > physical matter. Consciousness can be seen as the unmoved > > mover, the > > > > > One Subject or what we sometimes call God. Consciousness has > > already > > > > > made the ultimate choice of creation, and we are simply working > > our > > > > > way up the line of this choice. Or, to be more correct, > > > > consciousness > > > > > is PULLING us up towards itself. The more we become aligned > > with the > > > > > ultimate choice, the less karma we experience. While the > > choices we > > > > > make are important, the end result is always guaranteed. We are > > safe > > > > > in the hands of God and although we may come closer and closer > > to > > > > the > > > > > Will of God, we will never reach some destination because in > > order > > > > for > > > > > consciousness to be, there must be some " stuff " for it to > > > > experience, > > > > > hence ever more choices to be made. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > Hi al., > > > > > > > > maybe " Karma " is " created " by the " law of Karma " .... > > > > what is this law about? > > > > > > > > every action , done without consciousness of the " whole " ...create > > > > some Karma....means, develop an ego-mind.... > > > > > > > > this ego-mind create so, do to Karma law, attachment first, to an > > > > (own) " seperated " body-mind-intellect....and also to " others " > > > > or " seperated " appearing objects.... > > > > > > > > Karma leads to an ego-mind related perception of the > > world.....means, > > > > a perception which can't " see " the truth.....the " wholeness " ..... > > > > the " wholeness " in which there are no seperations.... > > > > > > > > because in " reality " ...there are no seperations.....and so, no > > real > > > > ego-minds......., everybody who " think " or feel he/she is this > > body- > > > > mind-intellect....live in " illusion " .....or " Maya " > > > > > > > > " God " ....the inner love of the heart....can " cross " this Maya..... > > > > because there are never any " limitations " of " God " living in the > > (own) > > > > hearts... > > > > > > > > the " whole " ...or " Oneness " ....or " Brahman " ......is the real > > Self... > > > > > > > > the sum total of non-identification with " Brahman " is " Maya " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > this are few words and thoughts only...... > > > > writing to the Self.....in all.....of all...... > > > > .....trying to respect the law of Karma.... > > > > in just trying to be....mySelf.... > > > > > > > > Regards and love > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: > > > > thanks for your definition: > > > > " The screen/paper is Noumenon, and the movie/writings on it is > > > > Phenomena. " > > > > > > > > > That was a good description of karma you gave. The ego and the sense > > > of separation has to be created first but then we must find our way > > > back to Brahman as the One and the Many. > > > > > > al. > > > > ...nothing " has to be created first " ...... > > > > > > Regards > > > > Marc > > > I believe Consciousness/Brahman can only experience itself in the > mirror of " things " . Therefore it has to be duality in existence. The > first type of duality is time vs timelessness. In time there is the > movement from past to future. This movement seems to me to go from > simpler things to more complex things. For example, the computer you > are using " has to be created first " before you could be able to use > it. 20 years ago you would not have been able to read a post like this > because there was no World Wide Web then. In an absolute sense > everything just IS, but on a relative level things (including human > beings, including egos) have to be created. Without the ego, humans > would have no self-awareness as being separate individuals. So > consciousness must go from Oneness to the illusion of separation (the > Big Bang) so that it can go back again in the form of the One and the > Many. Evolution is Oneness finding itself, not as Oneness, but as the > One and the Many. This " trick " we can call evolution or creation. > > al. hi al., ....still having nice ideas as i see.... it's like searching a possible way to pass through the walls......on the way back.........after having entered a room by the door... ....why not using the same door?...... would is not be endless easier?.... maybe it would be too much easy?.... i have no problems in using the same " way back " .....that i used to " come in " ..... Regards and love Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: .... > > hi al., > > ...still having nice ideas as i see.... > > it's like searching a possible way to pass through the walls......on > the way back.........after having entered a room by the door... > > ...why not using the same door?...... > > would is not be endless easier?.... > maybe it would be too much easy?.... > > i have no problems in using the same " way back " .....that i used > to " come in " ..... > > Regards and love > > Marc It is possible to use the same door, but only once we realize that the door is not the " same " door at it was in the past. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > ... > > > > hi al., > > > > ...still having nice ideas as i see.... > > > > it's like searching a possible way to pass through the walls......on > > the way back.........after having entered a room by the door... > > > > ...why not using the same door?...... > > > > would is not be endless easier?.... > > maybe it would be too much easy?.... > > > > i have no problems in using the same " way back " .....that i used > > to " come in " ..... > > > > Regards and love > > > > Marc > > > It is possible to use the same door, but only once we realize that the > door is not the " same " door at it was in the past. > > al. ....the " better future " you are searching for....just like this " past " you are talking about..... only exist in your dreams.... ego-minds have the particularity that they don't remember " where they come from " ....and so...even are not open to discover " who " they realy are Regards and love Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > ... > > > > > > hi al., > > > > > > ...still having nice ideas as i see.... > > > > > > it's like searching a possible way to pass through the > walls......on > > > the way back.........after having entered a room by the door... > > > > > > ...why not using the same door?...... > > > > > > would is not be endless easier?.... > > > maybe it would be too much easy?.... > > > > > > i have no problems in using the same " way back " .....that i used > > > to " come in " ..... > > > > > > Regards and love > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > It is possible to use the same door, but only once we realize that > the > > door is not the " same " door at it was in the past. > > > > al. > > ...the " better future " you are searching for....just like this " past " > you are talking about..... > only exist in your dreams.... > > ego-minds have the particularity that they don't remember " where they > come from " ....and so...even are not open to discover " who " they realy > are > > Regards and love > > Marc We must drink from the fountain of an everlasting future. May our choices be pregnant with the desire to fulfill our destiny as it now unfolds. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > > > hi al., > > > > > > > > ...still having nice ideas as i see.... > > > > > > > > it's like searching a possible way to pass through the > > walls......on > > > > the way back.........after having entered a room by the door... > > > > > > > > ...why not using the same door?...... > > > > > > > > would is not be endless easier?.... > > > > maybe it would be too much easy?.... > > > > > > > > i have no problems in using the same " way back " .....that i used > > > > to " come in " ..... > > > > > > > > Regards and love > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > It is possible to use the same door, but only once we realize that > > the > > > door is not the " same " door at it was in the past. > > > > > > al. > > > > ...the " better future " you are searching for....just like this " past " > > you are talking about..... > > only exist in your dreams.... > > > > ego-minds have the particularity that they don't remember " where they > > come from " ....and so...even are not open to discover " who " they realy > > are > > > > Regards and love > > > > Marc > > > We must drink from the fountain of an everlasting future. May our > choices be pregnant with the desire to fulfill our destiny as it now > unfolds. > > al. ....maybe your has come again to " think " about " meta thinking " .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > hi al., > > > > > > > > > > ...still having nice ideas as i see.... > > > > > > > > > > it's like searching a possible way to pass through the > > > walls......on > > > > > the way back.........after having entered a room by the > door... > > > > > > > > > > ...why not using the same door?...... > > > > > > > > > > would is not be endless easier?.... > > > > > maybe it would be too much easy?.... > > > > > > > > > > i have no problems in using the same " way back " .....that i > used > > > > > to " come in " ..... > > > > > > > > > > Regards and love > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to use the same door, but only once we realize > that > > > the > > > > door is not the " same " door at it was in the past. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > ...the " better future " you are searching for....just like > this " past " > > > you are talking about..... > > > only exist in your dreams.... > > > > > > ego-minds have the particularity that they don't remember " where > they > > > come from " ....and so...even are not open to discover " who " they > realy > > > are > > > > > > Regards and love > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > We must drink from the fountain of an everlasting future. May our > > choices be pregnant with the desire to fulfill our destiny as it now > > unfolds. > > > > al. > > ...maybe your has come again to " think " about " meta thinking " .... your time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 [...] > Yet, what is a Great friend and asset > in one area also causes unintended > results in other areas. Unconscious is > where habits, addictions, conditioning, prejudice, > habitual stressful thinking lies too! > Further, thinking unlike many other things like > swimming, walking, driving car... can't > be that effectively " automated " especially > if you want to think anything " new " ! It > requires more input, guidance and > observation by consciousness than many > other activities... because, thinking > many times involves something " new " ! > Absent that, it simply keeps repeating what > It has thought before - because, this is what > unconscious is good at! So, anytime, you > want to get out of 'rut', anytime you want to > do, act, think differently than what you > are 'habituated', 'conditioned' to - consciousness > is required! > To stay true to our real intentions, unconscious needs observation, guidance and input from consciousness. Else, it simply acts as a repeater and keeps doing what it it has done before. IOW... unconscious is where your Karma [habits, conditioning, addiction, prejudice...] lies. You do good conscious deeds and make good 'karma' [habits, conditioning] and you get 'bound' [conditioned] to reap your good karma… i.e. effortlessly 'repeat' your good 'habits'! You do bad deeds [such as stressful, fearful, greed, fear or jealousy driven unconscious thinking] and build bad karma [habits, conditioning] and you get bound to suffer those deeds [painful thinking] again. In his scenario,' being conscious' is your key out of this 'Karma Loop'! By being conscious, you observe and see your karma [habits, conditioning], yet, choose to act and think in the way that is in alignment with your intentions! By doing so not only you break the grip of karma in present… you also automatically build good [one which is in alignment with your real intentions] karma for future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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