Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 --------------------- Having free will, can we choose destiny instead? Were we destined to have free will, or did we choose free will? Can there be both free will and destiny? Or is there neither free will nor destiny? Free will and destiny are both concepts. Neither exist. Everything is as it is right now. Stephen Wingate http://www.livinginpeace-thenaturalstate.com/ --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stephen Wingate " <stephenwingate11> wrote: > --------------------- > > Having free will, can we choose destiny instead? > Were we destined to have free will, or did we choose free will? > > Can there be both free will and destiny? > Or is there neither free will nor destiny? > > Free will and destiny are both concepts. > Neither exist. > > Everything is as it is right now. > > Stephen Wingate > http://www.livinginpeace-thenaturalstate.com/ > > --------------------------- Hello Stephen, " Free will and destiny are both concepts. Neither exist. Everything is as it is right now. " ....right now....and forever let's enjoy the life-dream....as it is.... even if some ego-minds appear inside this dream.....can be fun for a better entertainment......as funny as the appearance of Mickey Mouse for the younger public.... Regards and love Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 dear friends Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one's deeds. There is nothing like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a cinema only. One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation. He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. The eligibility is achieved by you when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake. Most of the times, we misunderstand God and interpret wrongly. For proper understanding of Him, we should learn the divine knowledge and practice it. Lord preaches the true spiritual knowledge in human form only, like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed. His mission is to uplift human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. We should participate in His mission as His servants without aspiring anything in return. The practical participation (in form of donating money and physically spending \by working) will only prove our devotion. Real love involves sacrifice. When we sacrifice ourselves and serve our kith-kin we are getting enjoyment. Our enjoyment comes with the enjoyment of our beloved, which clearly shows that the true love involves sacrifice. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: Nisargadatta , " Stephen Wingate " <stephenwingate11> wrote: > --------------------- > > Having free will, can we choose destiny instead? > Were we destined to have free will, or did we choose free will? > > Can there be both free will and destiny? > Or is there neither free will nor destiny? > > Free will and destiny are both concepts. > Neither exist. > > Everything is as it is right now. > > Stephen Wingate > http://www.livinginpeace-thenaturalstate.com/ > > --------------------------- Hello Stephen, " Free will and destiny are both concepts. Neither exist. Everything is as it is right now. " ....right now....and forever let's enjoy the life-dream....as it is.... even if some ego-minds appear inside this dream.....can be fun for a better entertainment......as funny as the appearance of Mickey Mouse for the younger public.... Regards and love Marc ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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