Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 ------------------------- Is there any such thing as Living in Peace: The Natural State? There really isn't, is there? It's just another nice idea; another goal to accomplish; another state to attain; another attempt to avoid your painful experiences, and hold onto your pleasant ones. That's what you want isn't it: to avoid your pain? What if there's no such thing as Living in Peace: The Natural State? What if there's no such thing as Enlightenment, Awakening, or Liberation? What will you do now? Is there any such thing as suffering? There really isn't, is there? It's just another bad idea; another problem to overcome; another state to avoid; another story about your miserable life; another attempt of the ego to maintain control. That's what you want isn't it: to maintain control? What if there's no such thing as suffering? What if there's no such thing as the ego, problems, or control? What will you do now? http://livinginpeace-thenaturalstate.com/writings.htm --------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stephen Wingate " <stephenwingate11> wrote: > ------------------------- > > Is there any such thing as Living in Peace: The Natural State? > > There really isn't, is there? It's just another nice idea; another > goal to accomplish; another state to attain; another attempt to > avoid your painful experiences, and hold onto your pleasant ones. > > That's what you want isn't it: to avoid your pain? > > What if there's no such thing as Living in Peace: The Natural State? > What if there's no such thing as Enlightenment, Awakening, or > Liberation? > > What will you do now? > > > Is there any such thing as suffering? > > There really isn't, is there? It's just another bad idea; another > problem to overcome; another state to avoid; another story about > your miserable life; another attempt of the ego to maintain control. > > That's what you want isn't it: to maintain control? > > What if there's no such thing as suffering? > What if there's no such thing as the ego, problems, or control? > > What will you do now? > > http://livinginpeace-thenaturalstate.com/writings.htm > Any question is a reification. I don't have to guess if I suffer or not. I know it directly. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 People say that the characteristic of the spiritual path is peace. Is it correct? It is correct to certain extent till you reach the self (Jeevatma) it is correct. But the spiritual journey does not stop there. When you differentiate yourself from your body as pure awareness you will attain peace but you have to go further to reach the ultimate goal, which is the super self (Paramatma). When you are travelling in the path to reach the super self after attaining the knowledge of self, you will loose the peace because that path is full of sacrifice. Sacrifice will disturb your mind because you have to cut all the worldly bonds including the bond with your body and even life. While reaching the self you are eating a sweet, which will give you satisfaction. You cannot have fruit from the Lord again. You have already eaten the sweet and you cannot charge money for eating the sweet. Already you are given the fruit when you attain your self but when you are reaching the Paramatma you are giving the sweet to Him and you have to suffer with hunger. Therefore the Lord will pay you for the sacrifice of the sweet. When you loose the peace the Lord becomes peaceful. Therefore attaining the self by removing the illusion that you are the body etc., is only a half journey. The Lord is called as Atmeswara in Veda, which means that He is the controller of even the self. In Advaita philosophy you are reaching the self, which is only the intermediate station. Of course you must attain the peace, which gives, you lot of strength so that you will withstand the suffering by sacrifice in the next half of the journey. Sankara stopped by preaching this intermediate station to all the people. When a few people reached this station, then He opened the further path to them only. He swallowed the molten lead and preached to the disciples that He alone is the Lord. They realized the self and reached the intermediate station called Brahman by the path of ‘Aham Brahmasmi’ (I am Brahman). Brahman means simple awareness. The next half path is to reach Lord who is Eeswara. Peace is not the final fruit. Peace is only the intermediate fruit, which gives you the strength in the journey. The fruit given by the Lord is the final fruit, which are peace, bliss and all the eight super powers. If one takes a sleeping tablet, he can get peace during the sleep as well as after awakening. Detachment from the world gives you the peace (Brahman) but the fruit given by the Lord is to remain peaceful, blissful while living in this world and helping the real devotees with the help of the eight super powers (Asta Siddhis). The fruit given by the Lord will give you the real bliss i.e., the entertainment in the life game played by you in this world itself which is certainly far higher than the peace. Sivoham (I am Eeswara) as told by Sankara is the final goal and not 'Aham Brahmasmi'. Sankara lived in the world and did lot of work. He never sat idle thinking Aham Brahmasmi like the present Advaita Philosophers. Patanjali wrote Yoga Sutras and fixed Eeswara as the final goal. We remember Sankara today as the divine hero but not the other Advaita philosophers. Sankara sacrificed His mother and earning of money for the sake of the mission of the Lord. But the Advaita Philosophers sit in their houses and roll with their family bonds and simply say Aham Brahmasmi. One should become a divine hero like Sankara, Ramanuja, Madhva, Swami Vivekananda etc.; they were dynamic doing the Karma Yoga, which was without any selfishness. Their Karma Yoga was the propagation of the divine knowledge, which is Jnana Yoga but today the Advaita Philosopher is doing Karma Yoga with selfishness for his family bonds only. What is the use of their Jnana Yoga? at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Stephen Wingate <stephenwingate11 wrote: ------------------------- Is there any such thing as Living in Peace: The Natural State? There really isn't, is there? It's just another nice idea; another goal to accomplish; another state to attain; another attempt to avoid your painful experiences, and hold onto your pleasant ones. That's what you want isn't it: to avoid your pain? What if there's no such thing as Living in Peace: The Natural State? What if there's no such thing as Enlightenment, Awakening, or Liberation? What will you do now? Is there any such thing as suffering? There really isn't, is there? It's just another bad idea; another problem to overcome; another state to avoid; another story about your miserable life; another attempt of the ego to maintain control. That's what you want isn't it: to maintain control? What if there's no such thing as suffering? What if there's no such thing as the ego, problems, or control? What will you do now? http://livinginpeace-thenaturalstate.com/writings.htm --------- ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > People say that the characteristic of the spiritual path is peace. Is it correct? > > > > It is correct to certain extent till you reach the self (Jeevatma) it is correct. But the spiritual journey does not stop there. When you differentiate yourself from your body as pure awareness you will attain peace but you have to go further to reach the ultimate goal, which is the super self (Paramatma). When you are travelling in the path to reach the super self after attaining the knowledge of self, you will loose the peace because that path is full of sacrifice. Sacrifice will disturb your mind because you have to cut all the worldly bonds including the bond with your body and even life. While reaching the self you are eating a sweet, which will give you satisfaction. You cannot have fruit from the Lord again. You have already eaten the sweet and you cannot charge money for eating the sweet. Already you are given the fruit when you attain your self but when you are reaching the Paramatma you are giving the sweet to Him and you have to suffer with hunger. Therefore the Lord will > pay you for the sacrifice of the sweet. When you loose the peace the Lord becomes peaceful. Therefore attaining the self by removing the illusion that you are the body etc., is only a half journey. The Lord is called as Atmeswara in Veda, which means that He is the controller of even the self. > > > > In Advaita philosophy you are reaching the self, which is only the intermediate station. Of course you must attain the peace, which gives, you lot of strength so that you will withstand the suffering by sacrifice in the next half of the journey. Sankara stopped by preaching this intermediate station to all the people. When a few people reached this station, then He opened the further path to them only. He swallowed the molten lead and preached to the disciples that He alone is the Lord. They realized the self and reached the intermediate station called Brahman by the path of `Aham Brahmasmi' (I am Brahman). Brahman means simple awareness. The next half path is to reach Lord who is Eeswara. Peace is not the final fruit. Peace is only the intermediate fruit, which gives you the strength in the journey. The fruit given by the Lord is the final fruit, which are peace, bliss and all the eight super powers. If one takes a sleeping tablet, he can get peace during the sleep as well as > after awakening. Detachment from the world gives you the peace (Brahman) but the fruit given by the Lord is to remain peaceful, blissful while living in this world and helping the real devotees with the help of the eight super powers (Asta Siddhis). The fruit given by the Lord will give you the real bliss i.e., the entertainment in the life game played by you in this world itself which is certainly far higher than the peace. Sivoham (I am Eeswara) as told by Sankara is the final goal and not 'Aham Brahmasmi'. Sankara lived in the world and did lot of work. He never sat idle thinking Aham Brahmasmi like the present Advaita Philosophers. Patanjali wrote Yoga Sutras and fixed Eeswara as the final goal. We remember Sankara today as the divine hero but not the other Advaita philosophers. Sankara sacrificed His mother and earning of money for the sake of the mission of the Lord. But the Advaita Philosophers sit in their houses and roll with their family bonds and simply say Aham > Brahmasmi. > > > > One should become a divine hero like Sankara, Ramanuja, Madhva, Swami Vivekananda etc.; they were dynamic doing the Karma Yoga, which was without any selfishness. Their Karma Yoga was the propagation of the divine knowledge, which is Jnana Yoga but today the Advaita Philosopher is doing Karma Yoga with selfishness for his family bonds only. What is the use of their Jnana Yoga? > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > This reminds me of, I think it is a Zen saying, that " first there is a mountain (ordinary life in Samsara), then there is no mountain (peace), then there again is a mountain (experiencing Lila as one with the Lord). al. > > > Stephen Wingate <stephenwingate11> wrote: > ------------------------- > > Is there any such thing as Living in Peace: The Natural State? > > There really isn't, is there? It's just another nice idea; another > goal to accomplish; another state to attain; another attempt to > avoid your painful experiences, and hold onto your pleasant ones. > > That's what you want isn't it: to avoid your pain? > > What if there's no such thing as Living in Peace: The Natural State? > What if there's no such thing as Enlightenment, Awakening, or > Liberation? > > What will you do now? > > > Is there any such thing as suffering? > > There really isn't, is there? It's just another bad idea; another > problem to overcome; another state to avoid; another story about > your miserable life; another attempt of the ego to maintain control. > > That's what you want isn't it: to maintain control? > > What if there's no such thing as suffering? > What if there's no such thing as the ego, problems, or control? > > What will you do now? > > http://livinginpeace-thenaturalstate.com/writings.htm > > --------- > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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