Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, ie., pure awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or personality and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go stark raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and inside of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not permit such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a limit to how much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained myself to disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to give regard only to those that seem important to me. Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to experience on his own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or organic nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited to being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. Together, as units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique fractions of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the pure awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are neurotic human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. LW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is > neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, ie., pure > awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or personality > and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic > dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go stark > raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and inside > of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not permit > such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a limit to how > much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained myself to > disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to give > regard only to those that seem important to me. > > Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to experience on his > own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or organic > nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic > dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited to > being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. Together, as > units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique fractions > of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure > awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared > neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the pure > awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are neurotic > human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. > > LW .... " who " told you? Regards Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " > <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > > One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is > > neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, ie., > pure > > awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or personality > > and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic > > dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go stark > > raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and > inside > > of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not permit > > such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a limit to > how > > much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained myself to > > disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to give > > regard only to those that seem important to me. > > > > Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to experience on > his > > own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or organic > > nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic > > dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited to > > being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. Together, as > > units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique > fractions > > of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure > > awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared > > neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the pure > > awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are > neurotic > > human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. > > > > LW > > ... " who " told you? > > Regards > > Marc *smiles* Good question. I guess...I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 I beg to differ in a small point, a distinct pattern in the evolution of enlightenment is the moment we become aware of our awareness of consciousness. At some poiint we let go, to leave 'ourselves' permanently and swim in the ocean of cosmic awareness which, as you intimate, is universal, and can only be done on a transcended level as a whole. Many are consciously aware of this internal-external experience. We have moved, beyond, and therefore have included our neural pathways, to the wholeness we already are, but were quite ignorant of. To say it is inorganic or non-neurological would perhaps take it to an inexperienced realm. IMHO Love, Anna - leafwalker1069 Nisargadatta Friday, September 30, 2005 5:19 AM Awareness Equals Neurosis? One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, ie., pure awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or personality and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go stark raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and inside of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not permit such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a limit to how much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained myself to disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to give regard only to those that seem important to me. Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to experience on his own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or organic nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited to being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. Together, as units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique fractions of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the pure awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are neurotic human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. LW ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 LW, I did not talk about awareness as a whole simply because there is no such a thing as awareness, not to speak of " as a whole " . Please don't confuse consciounes with awareness. This " awareness " I was questioning or even attacking is supposed to be of divine origin and is told to survive when we die. As I could see at the end of your post you are a romantic person flirting with the miraculous. Be careful not to fly up to high. Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " > <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > > One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is > > neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, ie., > pure > > awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or personality > > and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic > > dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go stark > > raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and > inside > > of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not permit > > such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a limit to > how > > much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained myself to > > disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to give > > regard only to those that seem important to me. > > > > Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to experience on > his > > own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or organic > > nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic > > dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited to > > being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. Together, as > > units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique > fractions > > of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure > > awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared > > neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the pure > > awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are > neurotic > > human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. > > > > LW > > ... " who " told you? > > Regards > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " > > <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > > > One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is > > > neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, ie., > > pure > > > awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or > personality > > > and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic > > > dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go > stark > > > raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and > > inside > > > of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not > permit > > > such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a limit to > > how > > > much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained myself > to > > > disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to give > > > regard only to those that seem important to me. > > > > > > Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to experience on > > his > > > own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or > organic > > > nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic > > > dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited to > > > being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. Together, > as > > > units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique > > fractions > > > of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure > > > awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared > > > neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the pure > > > awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are > > neurotic > > > human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. > > > > > > LW > > > > ... " who " told you? > > > > Regards > > > > Marc > > *smiles* Good question. I guess...I did. ....maybe when the mind is quite....and the heart wish to discover the " truth " ....there is " seeing " .... seeing that we are all " this " ....and ever have been.... ....and just talk about " ourself " ....to the " onother " body of " ourself " .... there is an endless exchange of informations....an endless flow of words....worlds.....thoughts..... through ourself which is all in all when this " all in all " is rising.... all theories and questions are gone.... Regards and love Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Werner, I apologize for that assumption. I made it because I needed to " feel you out. " Now that I know that you make a distinction between awareness and consciousness, I think I understand your meaning. In saying that there is " no such thing as awareness, " you imply that there is no such thing as the divine. The implication of the distinction you make is that consciousness does not connote divinity whereas awareness does. You are right in your observation that I make no distinction between the two. However, you assume that I assign personality to either one. You are correct. I do. This, perhaps, is where I am confused. LW Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > LW, > > I did not talk about awareness as a whole simply because there is no > such a thing as awareness, not to speak of " as a whole " . > > Please don't confuse consciounes with awareness. This " awareness " I > was questioning or even attacking is supposed to be of divine origin > and is told to survive when we die. > > As I could see at the end of your post you are a romantic person > flirting with the miraculous. Be careful not to fly up to high. > > Werner > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " > > <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > > > One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is > > > neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, ie., > > pure > > > awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or > personality > > > and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic > > > dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go > stark > > > raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and > > inside > > > of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not > permit > > > such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a limit to > > how > > > much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained myself > to > > > disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to give > > > regard only to those that seem important to me. > > > > > > Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to experience on > > his > > > own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or > organic > > > nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic > > > dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited to > > > being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. Together, > as > > > units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique > > fractions > > > of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure > > > awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared > > > neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the pure > > > awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are > > neurotic > > > human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. > > > > > > LW > > > > ... " who " told you? > > > > Regards > > > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Anna, I agree. Sometimes, the content of my consciousness, of which I am aware, completely eludes me. I have had mystical experiences in my life that I have never been able to make sense of. These mystical experiences were such that I was led to believe that I had transcended my organic and neurologic human processes and had entered a state in which I felt like I was swimming in an ocean of very unhuman-like bliss. I have struggled to make sense of these experiences. I find no logical explanation for them. Maybe you are correct in assessing the evolutional process of enlightenment as organic and neurological. LW Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > I beg to differ in a small point, a distinct pattern in the evolution of enlightenment is the > moment we become aware of our awareness of consciousness. > > At some poiint we let go, to leave 'ourselves' permanently and swim in the ocean of cosmic awareness > which, as you intimate, is universal, and can only be done on a transcended level as a whole. > Many are consciously aware of this internal-external experience. We have moved, beyond, and therefore > have included our neural pathways, to the wholeness we already are, but were quite ignorant of. To say > it is inorganic or non-neurological would perhaps take it to an inexperienced realm. IMHO > > Love, > Anna > - > leafwalker1069 > Nisargadatta > Friday, September 30, 2005 5:19 AM > Awareness Equals Neurosis? > > > One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is > neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, ie., pure > awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or personality > and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic > dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go stark > raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and inside > of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not permit > such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a limit to how > much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained myself to > disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to give > regard only to those that seem important to me. > > Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to experience on his > own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or organic > nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic > dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited to > being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. Together, as > units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique fractions > of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure > awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared > neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the pure > awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are neurotic > human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. > > LW > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Marc, Do you realize how beautifully poetic your words were? Thank you! LW Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " > <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " > > > <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > > > > One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is > > > > neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, ie., > > > pure > > > > awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or > > personality > > > > and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic > > > > dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go > > stark > > > > raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and > > > inside > > > > of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not > > permit > > > > such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a limit > to > > > how > > > > much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained > myself > > to > > > > disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to give > > > > regard only to those that seem important to me. > > > > > > > > Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to experience > on > > > his > > > > own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or > > organic > > > > nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic > > > > dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited > to > > > > being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. > Together, > > as > > > > units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique > > > fractions > > > > of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure > > > > awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared > > > > neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the > pure > > > > awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are > > > neurotic > > > > human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. > > > > > > > > LW > > > > > > ... " who " told you? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Marc > > > > *smiles* Good question. I guess...I did. > > ...maybe when the mind is quite....and the heart wish to discover > the " truth " ....there is " seeing " .... > seeing that we are all " this " ....and ever have been.... > > ...and just talk about " ourself " ....to the " onother " body > of " ourself " .... > > there is an endless exchange of informations....an endless flow of > words....worlds.....thoughts..... > > through ourself > > which is all in all > > when this " all in all " is rising.... > > all theories and questions are gone.... > > Regards and love > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 LW, To transcend, we have had to go beyond limited thought, is this not so? So anything that is self-limiting is just limiting thought, An insecurity, for we are walking on ground we have never walked upon, and it is on a hallowed ground, this new being that emerges Who has gone beyond self-limitation. First we go beyond self-limitation, and then we become self-aware as a mult-dimensional being, and we move beyond that, how that looks like is ___________ we are writing it now, even as we speak. imho. This/Is/It always includes Love. ar - leafwalker1069 Nisargadatta Friday, September 30, 2005 7:14 AM Re: Awareness Equals Neurosis? Anna, I agree. Sometimes, the content of my consciousness, of which I am aware, completely eludes me. I have had mystical experiences in my life that I have never been able to make sense of. These mystical experiences were such that I was led to believe that I had transcended my organic and neurologic human processes and had entered a state in which I felt like I was swimming in an ocean of very unhuman-like bliss. I have struggled to make sense of these experiences. I find no logical explanation for them. Maybe you are correct in assessing the evolutional process of enlightenment as organic and neurological. LW Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > I beg to differ in a small point, a distinct pattern in the evolution of enlightenment is the > moment we become aware of our awareness of consciousness. > > At some poiint we let go, to leave 'ourselves' permanently and swim in the ocean of cosmic awareness > which, as you intimate, is universal, and can only be done on a transcended level as a whole. > Many are consciously aware of this internal-external experience. We have moved, beyond, and therefore > have included our neural pathways, to the wholeness we already are, but were quite ignorant of. To say > it is inorganic or non-neurological would perhaps take it to an inexperienced realm. IMHO > > Love, > Anna > - > leafwalker1069 > Nisargadatta > Friday, September 30, 2005 5:19 AM > Awareness Equals Neurosis? > > > One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is > neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, ie., pure > awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or personality > and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic > dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go stark > raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and inside > of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not permit > such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a limit to how > much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained myself to > disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to give > regard only to those that seem important to me. > > Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to experience on his > own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or organic > nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic > dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited to > being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. Together, as > units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique fractions > of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure > awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared > neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the pure > awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are neurotic > human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. > > LW > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: >Please don't confuse consciounes with awareness. This " awareness " I >was questioning or even attacking is supposed to be of divine origin >and is told to survive when we die. This is a personal interpretation Somehow settled Somehow assumed. I do not know anything about it. I know awareness is a function of life If one begins to center ones being More on awareness itself instead of those 1001 things one is aware of - Daily life is in danger of Becoming less and less neurotic. And the need to define awareness and Conciessness in 1001 ways becomes Less and less compelling. Then - one fine day - one may realize... Or not... That awareness itself is as impersonal As life itself... Or not... Since everything goes as it goes. It does not ask for our permission. Nor does it follow our interpretation. LiLoLa Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > Marc, > > Do you realize how beautifully poetic your words were? Thank you! > > LW ...... " my " words....?..... this words belong to all in all.... thank you... bliss Marc > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " > > <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " > > > > <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > > > > > One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is > > > > > neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, > ie., > > > > pure > > > > > awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or > > > personality > > > > > and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic > > > > > dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go > > > stark > > > > > raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and > > > > inside > > > > > of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not > > > permit > > > > > such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a > limit > > to > > > > how > > > > > much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained > > myself > > > to > > > > > disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to > give > > > > > regard only to those that seem important to me. > > > > > > > > > > Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to > experience > > on > > > > his > > > > > own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or > > > organic > > > > > nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic > > > > > dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited > > to > > > > > being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. > > Together, > > > as > > > > > units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique > > > > fractions > > > > > of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure > > > > > awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared > > > > > neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the > > pure > > > > > awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are > > > > neurotic > > > > > human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. > > > > > > > > > > LW > > > > > > > > ... " who " told you? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > *smiles* Good question. I guess...I did. > > > > ...maybe when the mind is quite....and the heart wish to discover > > the " truth " ....there is " seeing " .... > > seeing that we are all " this " ....and ever have been.... > > > > ...and just talk about " ourself " ....to the " onother " body > > of " ourself " .... > > > > there is an endless exchange of informations....an endless flow of > > words....worlds.....thoughts..... > > > > through ourself > > > > which is all in all > > > > when this " all in all " is rising.... > > > > all theories and questions are gone.... > > > > Regards and love > > > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Friday, September 30, 2005 8:00 AM Re: Awareness Equals Neurosis? Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > Marc, > > Do you realize how beautifully poetic your words were? Thank you! > > LW ..... " my " words....?..... this words belong to all in all.... thank you... bliss Marc ahhh, Bliss,, all in all > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " > > <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " leafwalker1069 " > > > > <Silver1069@h...> wrote: > > > > > One of the members of this group concludes that awareness is > > > > > neurotic. I assume he does not mean awareness as a whole, > ie., > > > > pure > > > > > awareness. A neurosis is a disturbance of the mind or > > > personality > > > > > and is not attributable to any known neurological or organic > > > > > dysfunction. I have to agree with this member. One would go > > > stark > > > > > raving mad if he were aware of everything going on around and > > > > inside > > > > > of him at each given moment in time. My human senses do not > > > permit > > > > > such pure awareness, thank the good Goddess! There is a > limit > > to > > > > how > > > > > much I can safely be aware of in the Now. I have trained > > myself > > > to > > > > > disregard personally irrelevant sensory perceptions and to > give > > > > > regard only to those that seem important to me. > > > > > > > > > > Pure awareness is impossible for one human being to > experience > > on > > > > his > > > > > own. It is not attributable to anything of a neurologic or > > > organic > > > > > nature. Pure awareness transcends the neurologic/organic > > > > > dysfunctional human condition. As an individual I am limited > > to > > > > > being aware of but a fraction of the universal dream. > > Together, > > > as > > > > > units of consciousness, impurely aware of myriads of unique > > > > fractions > > > > > of the universal dream, we overcome the impossibility of pure > > > > > awareness. Together, as a whole, we transcend our shared > > > > > neuro/organic dysfunctional human condition and share in the > > pure > > > > > awareness of the entire universal dream as a whole. We are > > > > neurotic > > > > > human fragments of a non-neurological and inorganic Whole. > > > > > > > > > > LW > > > > > > > > ... " who " told you? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > *smiles* Good question. I guess...I did. > > > > ...maybe when the mind is quite....and the heart wish to discover > > the " truth " ....there is " seeing " .... > > seeing that we are all " this " ....and ever have been.... > > > > ...and just talk about " ourself " ....to the " onother " body > > of " ourself " .... > > > > there is an endless exchange of informations....an endless flow of > > words....worlds.....thoughts..... > > > > through ourself > > > > which is all in all > > > > when this " all in all " is rising.... > > > > all theories and questions are gone.... > > > > Regards and love > > > > Marc ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: >Darling Stefan, > >you mean > >This Is >Is? >I Am That? >This? > >or not.... > >Eternally This? >That I Am? > >or not... > >la la la layla or ma ma ma maya > >;-) No appreciation is seeked Nor is appreciated This is is is Somewhere I found this story... ....about a learned man who went to see a Zen master to debate the merits of Zen. The master poured him a cup of tea, and purposely kept pouring so the tea ran over the cup and spilled onto the table. The man was startled and asked the master what he was doing. The Zen master replied, " You are like this cup, too full of your own opinions to receive anything else. " LiLoLa Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > >Please don't confuse consciounes with awareness. This " awareness " I > >was questioning or even attacking is supposed to be of divine origin > >and is told to survive when we die. > > This is a personal interpretation > Somehow settled > Somehow assumed. > > I do not know anything about it. > > I know awareness is a function of life > If one begins to center ones being > More on awareness itself instead of those > 1001 things one is aware of - > Daily life is in danger of > Becoming less and less neurotic. > > And the need to define awareness and > Conciessness in 1001 ways becomes > Less and less compelling. > > Then - one fine day - one may realize... > Or not... > That awareness itself is as impersonal > As life itself... > Or not... > > Since everything goes as it goes. > It does not ask for our permission. > Nor does it follow our interpretation. > > LiLoLa > Stefan very well said, Stefan. :-) clay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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