the duality of --- Science & Spiritual knowledge

September 30, 2005

Dearest " at the lotus feet of shri datta swami "

There must be a story about the non-duality that means: not-two.

Before all your words, which add up to far more than two, you start

with the duality: science and spiritual knowledge.

Does non-duality mean non-duality?

Or is it just a swami's claim to fame.

=-=

the mind cannot write

and the hand cannot think

So what is the connection if there is " no-two " ?: a thought, called

ego.

-=-

What no god nor swami ever said, not even Ramana, nor Nisargadatta:

If I could think

then it would not be these words

that makes ME laugh

because my hands cannot think

and yet they write.

-- beyond the words that need four : feet, shri, datta and swami .

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Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000>

wrote:

> I. Spiritual Knowledge - Concepts Of Science

>

> 1

>

> Science is the logical analysis of the items existing in this

creation based on only one authority that is perception (Pratyaksha

Pramanam). Even in the ancient logic, all the authorities (Pramanas)

are based on perception only. You see the fire giving smoke. This is

deduction or perception. When you see the smoke coming from a

distance and do not see the fire, you say that fire exists there and

this is induction or inference (Anumana Pramanam). But this induction

is based on your previous deduction only. Somebody says to you that

fire gives smoke. If that person is your dearest, you believe it and

infer the fire from the smoke. This is authority of word `Shabdha

Pramanam'.

>

> Though you have not seen the fire, your dearest person has seen

the smoke coming from fire. Like this all the authorities are based

on perception only. I do not find any scripture of any Religion,

which contradicts the experience of perception. There are four ways

of authority. 1) Sruthi, which is the original scripture. 2) Smrithi,

which is the commentaries of Scholars on the original scripture. 3)

Yukthi, the logical analysis based on deduction, induction etc., 4)

Anubhava, the experience based on the perception of the items in this

world, which may be direct or indirect. Out of these four ways, the

fourth way is the most powerful. If anything contradicts the fourth

way, that is not valid or it may be a misinterpretation based on

misunderstanding of the Sruthi or Smrithi or Yukthi. Thus Science and

Philosophy are not separate. The very frame of the spiritual

knowledge is Science only. Thus Science is the basic foundation and

over all underlying structure of all the Scriptures.

>

> CUT .

>

October 1, 2005

dear friend

A mother feeds her child singing that the moon will come down from the sky if

the child eats the food. She is worried about the welfare of her child and does

not bother about the truth. The mother grows this body, which is perished by

this birth. But a teacher (Guru) grows the soul by knowledge, which is permanent

in all births, and the knowledge accompanies the soul forever. The love and

compassion of a Guru on his student is million times more than that of the

mother. ‘Sadguru’ is the God of the mother who came down as the teacher and the

love of the Sadguru is beyond description. Sankara, Ramanuja, Madhva are the

three incarnations of the three divine forms (viz. Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma) of

the same Sadguru, who is Lord Dattatreya (Datta). The commentaries of these

three Gurus may look different, which are meant for the people with different

mental maturity at different times. But the essence in these three commentaries

is one and the same.

First, Sankaracharya came, who was the incarnation of Lord Shiva in human form.

India was full of atheists who were either Buddhists or Purva mimamsakas. An

atheist can never tolerate the greatness of God and so denies His existence.

Sankara said, “ I am Shiva” (“Sivoham…”). Can an atheist tolerate this and

accept that another man is God? But, the atheist should also be uplifted by the

Sadguru. Sankara made a trick. He told that every man is God. An atheist likes

his own greatness and so becomes the follower of Sankara. Atleast some atheists

changed. Sankara equally distributed God, which is like a treasure to all. There

is a secret in this trick. When an atheist says, “I am God”, he has accepted

God!

Sankara: Do you exist?

Atheist: Yes I exist.

Sankara: You are God. So God exists.

So, at that time, the goal of Sankara, was only the first step i.e., atheists

should become theists. When a bull is running, you have to run along with it for

some time and then only you can stop it. Similarly, you have to follow an

egoistic person for sometime and then only you can bring him gradually into your

grip. The psychology of a student is well understood by a good teacher. This is

the concept of incarnation (Avatara). Ava= down, Tara= coming i.e., coming down

to the psychological level of the student. As we go down, the truth is to be

hidden and the upliftment of the student becomes more important.

Some disciples became fully pure and got rid of jealousy and ego in course of

time through constantly serving Sankara and they were eligible to grasp the

truth. Sankara revealed the truth to such deserving disciples. Sankara swallowed

molten lead and asked them to swallow the same if they were God. The disciples

were unable to swallow the same and fell at the feet of Sankara since they

grasped the truth. But, Sankara limited this revelation of the truth to some of

His close deserving disciples only, since others were not able to grasp the

truth due to their egoism. Sankara left the earth at this stage.

In course of time, people got rid of their egoism and jealousy to some extent

but not completely. Ramanuja came and told that every man is a spark of God.

This is like ‘Socialism’ in which some wealth of a rich man is donated to the

poor. After some time, when people almost got rid of their egoism and jealousy

completely, Madhva came down and told that man is not at all connected to God

and man is only a servant of God. This is like ‘capitalism’ in which a wealthy

man remains rich and the poor people always remain poor. These three

philosophies apply to different people at any time, which vary as per their

mentalities. Anytime, all types of people are present in this world.

An egoistic person likes Sankara in his own case. He likes to be God. He does

not like Madhva since he does not want to be a servant of God. He likes Madhva

in the case of Lord Krishna who looks like a man and does not like Sankara

there. He likes Krishna to be called as a servant of God and not to be called as

God. This entire case is reversed in the case of a person who got rid of egoism.

He likes Madhva in his case and likes Sankara in the case of Lord Krishna. He

thinks that he is the servant of God and that Krishna is God. Hanuman is the

best example. He believed Madhva in His own case and Sankara in the case of Lord

Rama. He always thought that He was the servant of Lord Rama and that Rama was

God and not a man. Hanuman is the practical Guru for every human being. Sankara

gave the identification mark of God in human form stating, “ Jnanadeva tu

Kaivalyam”, which means that one has to unite the God (that is to join the God)

by His knowledge. Veda says that knowledge is Brahman.

That means, you have to recognize the Lord in Human form by His knowledge and

not by His miracles etc.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

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