Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 > Are these ideas mere fantasies? Could be. Time will tell. al. P; No! Time won't tell. What's the difference between fantasies and ideas? Correspondence with a posited reality? Isn't that reality also an abstraction? Even if it were not, how can we be ever be completely sure they correspond 100%? So, the only question about these ideas is how they pacify that uneasiness, that agitation called Al? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > Are these ideas mere fantasies? Could be. Time will tell. > > al. > > P; No! Time won't tell. What's the difference > between fantasies and ideas? Correspondence with > a posited reality? Isn't that reality also an > abstraction? Even if it were not, how can we > be ever be completely sure they correspond 100%? > > So, the only question about these ideas is how > they pacify that uneasiness, that agitation called Al? > > Just the idea that there can be higher developed states than we have today in our, let's admit it, primitive world, is to me interesting. Even if I am wrong, I have with these ideas told Nature/Universe/God, " look how stupid you are if you cannot evolve into what I have described " . al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > Are these ideas mere fantasies? Could be. Time will tell. > > > > al. > > > > P; No! Time won't tell. What's the difference > > between fantasies and ideas? Correspondence with > > a posited reality? Isn't that reality also an > > abstraction? Even if it were not, how can we > > be ever be completely sure they correspond 100%? > > > > So, the only question about these ideas is how > > they pacify that uneasiness, that agitation called Al? > > > > > > > Just the idea that there can be higher developed states than we have > today in our, let's admit it, primitive world, is to me interesting. > Even if I am wrong, I have with these ideas told Nature/Universe/God, > " look how stupid you are if you cannot evolve into what I have described " . > > al. On a practical level, this idea is very helpful to find peace within. When I look at our world being holon level 4 from a perspective of holon level 5, then everything in our society becomes less important, which means less desire and fear in everyday life which potentially makes it much more easy to find the peace of God in the living moment. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > Are these ideas mere fantasies? Could be. Time will tell. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > P; No! Time won't tell. What's the difference > > > between fantasies and ideas? Correspondence with > > > a posited reality? Isn't that reality also an > > > abstraction? Even if it were not, how can we > > > be ever be completely sure they correspond 100%? > > > > > > So, the only question about these ideas is how > > > they pacify that uneasiness, that agitation called Al? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the idea that there can be higher developed states than we have > > today in our, let's admit it, primitive world, is to me interesting. > > Even if I am wrong, I have with these ideas told Nature/Universe/God, > > " look how stupid you are if you cannot evolve into what I have > described " . > > > > al. > > > On a practical level, this idea is very helpful to find peace within. > When I look at our world being holon level 4 from a perspective of > holon level 5, then everything in our society becomes less important, > which means less desire and fear in everyday life which potentially > makes it much more easy to find the peace of God in the living moment. > > al. .... you find peace by an " idea " ....on a " practical level " .... what if this " idea " change in the next moment..... there will be still " peace " ...? you percieve a " world " .....in " whatever level " you just are....now maybe it's like reading a book (about holons) with 10 chapters... the one you open...and percieve....is the one you see and think about... ....but the reader himself....stay , in reality, untouched to any of this chapters....and fictions of " worlds " .... ....even if one chapter....take a lifelong time to read.... Regards Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > > Are these ideas mere fantasies? Could be. Time will tell. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > P; No! Time won't tell. What's the difference > > > > between fantasies and ideas? Correspondence with > > > > a posited reality? Isn't that reality also an > > > > abstraction? Even if it were not, how can we > > > > be ever be completely sure they correspond 100%? > > > > > > > > So, the only question about these ideas is how > > > > they pacify that uneasiness, that agitation called Al? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the idea that there can be higher developed states than we > have > > > today in our, let's admit it, primitive world, is to me > interesting. > > > Even if I am wrong, I have with these ideas told > Nature/Universe/God, > > > " look how stupid you are if you cannot evolve into what I have > > described " . > > > > > > al. > > > > > > On a practical level, this idea is very helpful to find peace > within. > > When I look at our world being holon level 4 from a perspective of > > holon level 5, then everything in our society becomes less > important, > > which means less desire and fear in everyday life which potentially > > makes it much more easy to find the peace of God in the living > moment. > > > > al. > > ... you find peace by an " idea " ....on a " practical level " .... > what if this " idea " change in the next moment..... > there will be still " peace " ...? > > you percieve a " world " .....in " whatever level " you just are....now > > maybe it's like reading a book (about holons) with 10 chapters... > > the one you open...and percieve....is the one you see and think > about... > > ...but the reader himself....stay , in reality, untouched to any of > this chapters....and fictions of " worlds " .... > > ...even if one chapter....take a lifelong time to read.... > > Regards > > Marc The thinking mind is always on the way to the future, therefore very restless. I thought that maybe having an utopian idea might slow my mind down a bit. It may help to relax my " future " a bit. But I am not sure it will work. Nevertheless, I find it interesting to speculate about evolution. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > > > Are these ideas mere fantasies? Could be. Time will tell. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > P; No! Time won't tell. What's the difference > > > > > between fantasies and ideas? Correspondence with > > > > > a posited reality? Isn't that reality also an > > > > > abstraction? Even if it were not, how can we > > > > > be ever be completely sure they correspond 100%? > > > > > > > > > > So, the only question about these ideas is how > > > > > they pacify that uneasiness, that agitation called Al? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the idea that there can be higher developed states than we > > have > > > > today in our, let's admit it, primitive world, is to me > > interesting. > > > > Even if I am wrong, I have with these ideas told > > Nature/Universe/God, > > > > " look how stupid you are if you cannot evolve into what I have > > > described " . > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > On a practical level, this idea is very helpful to find peace > > within. > > > When I look at our world being holon level 4 from a perspective of > > > holon level 5, then everything in our society becomes less > > important, > > > which means less desire and fear in everyday life which potentially > > > makes it much more easy to find the peace of God in the living > > moment. > > > > > > al. > > > > ... you find peace by an " idea " ....on a " practical level " .... > > what if this " idea " change in the next moment..... > > there will be still " peace " ...? > > > > you percieve a " world " .....in " whatever level " you just are....now > > > > maybe it's like reading a book (about holons) with 10 chapters... > > > > the one you open...and percieve....is the one you see and think > > about... > > > > ...but the reader himself....stay , in reality, untouched to any of > > this chapters....and fictions of " worlds " .... > > > > ...even if one chapter....take a lifelong time to read.... > > > > Regards > > > > Marc > > > The thinking mind is always on the way to the future, therefore very > restless. I thought that maybe having an utopian idea might slow my > mind down a bit. It may help to relax my " future " a bit. But I am not > sure it will work. Nevertheless, I find it interesting to speculate > about evolution. > > al. ....maybe everybody get (sooner or later)the future he/she is dreaming about.... therefor it's good to " see " a nice one, ok Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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