Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Realization is just a yearning for what egos fear the most death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 If everybody is God, what is the meaning of spiritual effort? God needs Spiritual Effort to reach God? God created the universe consisting of animate and inanimate objects. He preaches divine knowledge and does miracles also, if required. If anybody claims to be Lord or God, he should be able to do all these things. Greatest devotees never claimed themselves as Lord, they always love to serve the Lord in human form. Satguru has to be identified by His divine knowledge and serve that Satguru only not any guru. Satguru only can clear all doubts of all disciples. Gurus are devotees having some divine knowledge. So they may sometimes clarify some doubts. Their knowledge is limited only. Only Satguru (lord in human form) will only have the infinite knowledge and clarifies all the doubts of all disciples. Like the studies in our materialistic life, one has to pass through elementary, higher, college and should finally enter university. After studies in University one will join job to serve the country. Like wise, one should serve Lord in human form. Self-analysis is the analysis of self with the help of Satguru who can only show your internal situation. Ex: A doctor can only see the x-ray and diagnose the ailment and give you medicines. Reaching Self is only an intermediate step in the spiritual journey towards the final goal of reaching Lord. Reaching self is not reaching Lord. In spiritual effort three important things are there. 1) knowing about self 2) Knowing the destination 3) the path to reach the destination. Regarding knowing about self, it is sufficient if you know that you are not the destination. Regarding knowing the destination, you should identify the Lord in human form and He is our destination. the identification is by His true infinite spiritual knowledge. Path is the most essential part of spiritual journey. The path leading to Lord is full of sacrifice only, which is only the real indication of our true love towards Him. That is why Jesus told the path leading to kingdom of Lord is very narrow filled with thorns. Because practical sacrifice nobody enjoys. Sacrificing words, mind and intelligence can be done without botheration as Lord gives them freely. Satguru never claims Himself as Lord. It is devotees who believe Him as Lord after listening to His special divine knowledge and sometimes may experience some miracles also. A thorough association with Him for some time while experiencing the special divine knowledge, they will develop the faith that He is lord in human form. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Gene Polotas <semmin wrote: Realization is just a yearning for what egos fear the most death. SURYA surya www.universal-spirituality.org Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 God does not preach, God is what IS. The words made flesh... Love is the Lotus at the Foot. ar - prakki surya Nisargadatta Saturday, October 08, 2005 9:44 AM Re: ode to realization If everybody is God, what is the meaning of spiritual effort? God needs Spiritual Effort to reach God? God created the universe consisting of animate and inanimate objects. He preaches divine knowledge and does miracles also, if required. If anybody claims to be Lord or God, he should be able to do all these things. Greatest devotees never claimed themselves as Lord, they always love to serve the Lord in human form. Satguru has to be identified by His divine knowledge and serve that Satguru only not any guru. Satguru only can clear all doubts of all disciples. Gurus are devotees having some divine knowledge. So they may sometimes clarify some doubts. Their knowledge is limited only. Only Satguru (lord in human form) will only have the infinite knowledge and clarifies all the doubts of all disciples. Like the studies in our materialistic life, one has to pass through elementary, higher, college and should finally enter university. After studies in University one will join job to serve the country. Like wise, one should serve Lord in human form. Self-analysis is the analysis of self with the help of Satguru who can only show your internal situation. Ex: A doctor can only see the x-ray and diagnose the ailment and give you medicines. Reaching Self is only an intermediate step in the spiritual journey towards the final goal of reaching Lord. Reaching self is not reaching Lord. In spiritual effort three important things are there. 1) knowing about self 2) Knowing the destination 3) the path to reach the destination. Regarding knowing about self, it is sufficient if you know that you are not the destination. Regarding knowing the destination, you should identify the Lord in human form and He is our destination. the identification is by His true infinite spiritual knowledge. Path is the most essential part of spiritual journey. The path leading to Lord is full of sacrifice only, which is only the real indication of our true love towards Him. That is why Jesus told the path leading to kingdom of Lord is very narrow filled with thorns. Because practical sacrifice nobody enjoys. Sacrificing words, mind and intelligence can be done without botheration as Lord gives them freely. Satguru never claims Himself as Lord. It is devotees who believe Him as Lord after listening to His special divine knowledge and sometimes may experience some miracles also. A thorough association with Him for some time while experiencing the special divine knowledge, they will develop the faith that He is lord in human form. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Gene Polotas <semmin wrote: Realization is just a yearning for what egos fear the most death. SURYA surya www.universal-spirituality.org Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 dear friend If He does not preach, how you will come to know about Him. Otherwise we live in ignorance only. All these discussions are taking place in one way or other based on the divine knowledge preached by previous human incarnations like Lord Krishna, Lord Jesus or Mohammed Prophet ..... If you don't believe any of these, there is no basis for our discussions. They will simply turnout futile. Satguru has to be identified by His true knowledge only. Miracles are not identification marks. But Satguru does miracles to protect His devotees. His knowledge is always a free flow and no contradiction in the concepts at anytime. When Lord comes in Human form His main concentration in the preaching will be where people are lacking the knowledge. If one is strong in Mathematics, what is the use of teaching him mathematics? Teach the subject where he is weak. Sofar mostly people never identified the Lord (Ofcourse other than a handful) when He came in human form like Jesus, Krishna, Mohammed, Buddha... The reason being not aware of the knowledge required for identifying Him. After identifying, next step is to please the Lord (because if I see president of my country will I get any benefit from him other than momentary happiness?) Now Shri Datta swami gave many discourses in this direction to give complete knowledge. For the first time, He included science also into religions and explaining divine knowledge scientifically to bring atheists also into the main stream of believers of Lord. As of now mostly all religions people are good in theoretical worship consisting of prayers, meditation, discussions. That is why Swamiji opened knowledge on the practical worship consisting of karma phala tyaga and karma sanyasa. Anyway foreigners are better than Indians in this practical worship. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya Anna Ruiz <nli10u wrote: God does not preach, God is what IS. The words made flesh... Love is the Lotus at the Foot. ar - SURYA surya www.universal-spirituality.org Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > dear friend > > If He does not preach, how you will come to know about Him. we can only realize our true nature when we cast out all preachings and listen to you own true nature. this is esp. true for the false teachings which teach that God is something other than me/us. > > Otherwise we live in ignorance only. > our greatest ignorance is the belief that words can help us in our quest > All these discussions are taking place in one way or other based on the divine knowledge preached by previous human incarnations like Lord Krishna, Lord Jesus or Mohammed Prophet ..... > > If you don't believe any of these, there is no basis for our discussions. They will simply turnout futile. the teachings of Krishna, Jesus, et al have been perverted by their followers, including by your own Guru. believe them at your own peril. > > > Satguru has to be identified by His true knowledge only. Miracles are not identification marks. But Satguru does miracles to protect His devotees. His knowledge is always a free flow and no contradiction in the concepts at anytime. miracles only separate the teacher from the student. true understanding is to realize that the teacher and student are one as god. thus, in performing miracles, the teacher does his/her students a great disservice. enjoy, clay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 dear friends Commenting a divine preacher is greatest sin. Ofcourse the worth of the preaching is not realized. In the past, sometimes divine preachers were humiliated, sometimes beaten and one time even crucified the preacher. The reason for the repulsion is EGO & JEALOUSY. As sincere seekers of true knowledge and true path to reach Lord, our endeavors should be to learn the truth only. Honoring the perceptions of others should be based on the logic on which the concept is presented. If anybody wants to contradict, he/she should come out with an equal and opposite logic. The attack is on the logic only, not at all personal and also with true intention of sharing the knowledge. We should concentrate on knowledge only. Honoring others perceptions when they are wrong is not correct. But, the truth has to be informed as politely as possible and no personal attack or mocking at. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Clay <clay.spencer wrote: Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > dear friend > > If He does not preach, how you will come to know about Him. SURYA surya www.universal-spirituality.org Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > Clay, > > I would say this: a teacher shows the student the one thing that is the true miracle, and that is the Miracle of Life, > > The miracle that is the student, the miracle that is the teacher. > And how these roles of student and teacher mean nothing in the > miracle that is Life. > > Love, > Anna > very well said, Anna. I love it...and as it's not separate from you, also you, and as you're not separate from me, also me, and as we're not separate from.... well anything. :-) clay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > > dear friends > > > > Commenting a divine preacher is greatest sin. Ofcourse the worth of the preaching is not realized. In the past, sometimes divine preachers were humiliated, sometimes beaten and one time even crucified the preacher. The reason for the repulsion is EGO & JEALOUSY. to realize that which you seek, one must first understand that there are no Divine preachers. nothing is holy, nothing is sacred lest everything is holy and everything is sacred. prakki, you repulse all other teachings except those of your divine preacher. why? is this not due to ego & jealousy? is this not due to your belief that your preacher is somehow better than another? so long as you believe that anyone is separate from you, and esp. so long as you believe that anymore is more 'divine' than you or any other, you will NOT awaken to the true nature of our being. of this, you should have no doubt. enjoy, clay > > > > As sincere seekers of true knowledge and true path to reach Lord, our endeavors should be to learn the truth only. Honoring the perceptions of others should be based on the logic on which the concept is presented. If anybody wants to contradict, he/she should come out with an equal and opposite logic. The attack is on the logic only, not at all personal and also with true intention of sharing the knowledge. prakki, there IS NO LOGIC in the Truth. logic plays no part. in fact, the Truth is totally illogical to your logical mind. > > > We should concentrate on knowledge only. Honoring others perceptions when they are wrong is not correct. But, the truth has to be informed as politely as possible and no personal attack or mocking at. > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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