dream, only love - Jesus

October 11, 2005

Luke—14:26 to 27 [Mathew: - 11:34 to 38]

“If any one comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and

children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my

disciple’’.

The knowledge is compared to a sword. Bhagavatgita says “Chhitva

Jnanasinatmanah”. This means that the ignorance should be cut by the knowledge,

which is like a sword. The bonds with wife or husband and children are due to

ignorance. Such bonds should break when the Lord in human form competes with

them to conduct His test. Lord comes in human form in every human generation to

preach and give His direct presence. If the Lord comes in only one human

generation, God becomes partial to that human generation because other human

generations are not blessed with such opportunity. To see, to touch, to talk and

to live with the human incarnation, He comes down as per the prayers of the

devotees. The Lord comes to preach and so He will not enter the statues or

animals or birds. Veda says “Na tasya pratima asti’’ which means that God will

not enter the inert statues.

Gita says “Manusheem tanu masritam” which means that God enters the human body

only because the main purpose is to preach the human beings. Gita strongly says

that he who worships the inert statues will be born as an inert stone (“Bhootani

yanti”). The Christians should be commended on this point who are worshipping

the Holy Jesus only, who is the most powerful human incarnation of God. Veda

says “Na tat samah” which means that nobody and nothing should be equal to the

Lord in human incarnation. One should leave everything and everybody for the

sake of the Lord in human form. Only the bond with a new human being can break

the bond with the human beings. Such new human being must be very powerful who

can be only God in human form.

A new bond existing with formless God or statues cannot break the human bonds.

Only the bond with another living being can cut the bond with the living beings.

The bond with formless God is impossible. The bond with inert statue has no

use. The above statements of Holy Jesus indicate that one should cut the bonds

with his family and with the wealth. In Hindu religion also it is said that God

(Datta) cuts all the bonds of family and wealth (“Dattam Chinnam”). Even the

bond with the body should be cut for the sake of the God. Gita says the same

thing as “Mat Gata Pranah”. Holy Jesus says that one has to carry his own cross

(death) for the sake of the Lord. This means that one has to invite his own

death with his own hands for the sake of God. Holy Jesus did like this as an

ideal example for others. This means that you have to cut your bonds not only

with your family and wealth but also with your life if necessary.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote:

many concepts about (unconditionnel) love

many egos who feel This love

This love has no ego

and therefor infinite, changeless, formless

to love the forms..is to love an illusion

to love the forms..is to love dreams

to be love...is liberation

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October 11, 2005

Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

Namaste,

why should anybody follow Jesus if he/she has no (more) " conflict "

with all ( " others " )....and so, live in peace and harmony ...?

to solve the " conflict of bonds " ....first it's necessary to know the

reason why this " conflicts exists "

sure, a serious " seeker " need some " independence " in order to follow

own " inspiration and intiution " ....

to " see " the Self in oneself

some leave whole family for this reason.....

" others " followed Jesus....and still there are many " who " follow

him......in a " formless being "

does love have a " form " ?

Regards and peace

thank you for the message

Marc

> Luke—14:26 to 27 [Mathew: - 11:34 to 38]

>

> " If any one comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother,

wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also,

he cannot be my disciple''.

>

> The knowledge is compared to a sword. Bhagavatgita says " Chhitva

Jnanasinatmanah " . This means that the ignorance should be cut by the

knowledge, which is like a sword. The bonds with wife or husband and

children are due to ignorance. Such bonds should break when the Lord

in human form competes with them to conduct His test. Lord comes in

human form in every human generation to preach and give His direct

presence. If the Lord comes in only one human generation, God becomes

partial to that human generation because other human generations are

not blessed with such opportunity. To see, to touch, to talk and to

live with the human incarnation, He comes down as per the prayers of

the devotees. The Lord comes to preach and so He will not enter the

statues or animals or birds. Veda says " Na tasya pratima asti'' which

means that God will not enter the inert statues.

>

> Gita says " Manusheem tanu masritam " which means that God enters the

human body only because the main purpose is to preach the human

beings. Gita strongly says that he who worships the inert statues

will be born as an inert stone ( " Bhootani yanti " ). The Christians

should be commended on this point who are worshipping the Holy Jesus

only, who is the most powerful human incarnation of God. Veda

says " Na tat samah " which means that nobody and nothing should be

equal to the Lord in human incarnation. One should leave everything

and everybody for the sake of the Lord in human form. Only the bond

with a new human being can break the bond with the human beings. Such

new human being must be very powerful who can be only God in human

form.

>

> A new bond existing with formless God or statues cannot break the

human bonds. Only the bond with another living being can cut the bond

with the living beings. The bond with formless God is impossible.

The bond with inert statue has no use. The above statements of Holy

Jesus indicate that one should cut the bonds with his family and with

the wealth. In Hindu religion also it is said that God (Datta) cuts

all the bonds of family and wealth ( " Dattam Chinnam " ). Even the

bond with the body should be cut for the sake of the God. Gita says

the same thing as " Mat Gata Pranah " . Holy Jesus says that one has to

carry his own cross (death) for the sake of the Lord. This means

that one has to invite his own death with his own hands for the sake

of God. Holy Jesus did like this as an ideal example for others.

This means that you have to cut your bonds not only with your family

and wealth but also with your life if necessary.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

>

> surya

>

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> many concepts about (unconditionnel) love

> many egos who feel This love

>

> This love has no ego

> and therefor infinite, changeless, formless

>

> to love the forms..is to love an illusion

> to love the forms..is to love dreams

>

> to be love...is liberation

>

> Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

>

October 11, 2005

dear friend

love is expressed by serving which consists of spending money & physically doing

work. The following throws some more light on this aspect.

Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only.

Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls sacrifice of money “Karma

Phala Tyaga”. In Bhagavatgita it is said “Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah” which

means that devotion is greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the

work (money) is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence

and words. Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of heart

and love. The proof of the love is the practical service, which is the

practical sacrifice of work or money. For the propagation of the divine

knowledge and devotion the money is needed to publish the gospel in the form of

books. When you sacrifice your money for the divine work your treasure in the

heaven is built up. This means that God will help you after your death and you

will enter the kingdom of God.

You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real love is on

your family only. There is no need of any further argument on this point

because it is very clear proof. This is the real fire test for your love. You

are sacrificing valueless words and valueless mind in leisure, which is

valueless time. This cannot prove the real value of God. You must give real

value to God. You are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as

the time to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is

approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God. Therefore you are

not giving any value to God for all practical purpose. But you are telling

lies in your prayers that God is everything for you. The money is the final

test and it can be the only test also since all the family is associated with

you for money only and the family serves you in your old age for your money

only. If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can

be seen.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote:

Namaste,

why should anybody follow Jesus if he/she has no (more) " conflict "

with all ( " others " )....and so, live in peace and harmony ...?

to solve the " conflict of bonds " ....first it's necessary to know the reason why

this " conflicts exists "

sure, a serious " seeker " need some " independence " in order to follow own

" inspiration and intiution " ....

to " see " the Self in oneself

some leave whole family for this reason.....

" others " followed Jesus....and still there are many " who " follow him......in a

" formless being "

does love have a " form " ?

Regards and peace

thank you for the message

Marc

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October 11, 2005

Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> love is expressed by serving which consists of spending money &

physically doing work. The following throws some more light on this

aspect.

>

> Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the

money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls

sacrifice of money " Karma Phala Tyaga " . In Bhagavatgita it is said

" Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah " which means that devotion is greater than

Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work (money) is greater

than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence and words.

Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of heart and

love. The proof of the love is the practical service, which is the

practical sacrifice of work or money. For the propagation of the

divine knowledge and devotion the money is needed to publish the

gospel in the form of books. When you sacrifice your money for the

divine work your treasure in the heaven is built up. This means that

God will help you after your death and you will enter the kingdom of

God.

>

> You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real

love is on your family only. There is no need of any further argument

on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the real fire

test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words and valueless

mind in leisure, which is valueless time. This cannot prove the real

value of God. You must give real value to God. You are finishing

your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time to go to job is

nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is approaching, you

are immediately leaving the presence of God. Therefore you are not

giving any value to God for all practical purpose. But you are

telling lies in your prayers that God is everything for you. The

money is the final test and it can be the only test also since all the

family is associated with you for money only and the family serves you

in your old age for your money only. If the money is sacrificed to

God your real color of love can

> be seen.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

>

> surya

>

> www.universal-spirituality.org

" No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love

the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You

cannot serve both God and Money. " -- Matthew 6:24 (New International

Version)

" But he who performs his prescribed duty only because it ought to be

done, and renounces all attachment to the fruit--his renunciation is

of the nature of goodness, O Arjuna. " -- Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 18,

Verse 9

This means that we should drop our attachments to money and also our

attachments to other possessions, such as family members, friends,

material possessions, personal social status and reputation, mental

ideas about one's physical body and so on. Why? Because all of that is

merely mental images. The map is not the territory. And why do you

need a map to find yourself?!

al.

>

> dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> why should anybody follow Jesus if he/she has no (more) " conflict "

> with all ( " others " )....and so, live in peace and harmony ...?

>

> to solve the " conflict of bonds " ....first it's necessary to know the

reason why this " conflicts exists "

> sure, a serious " seeker " need some " independence " in order to follow

own " inspiration and intiution " ....

> to " see " the Self in oneself

> some leave whole family for this reason.....

> " others " followed Jesus....and still there are many " who " follow

him......in a " formless being "

> does love have a " form " ?

>

> Regards and peace

> thank you for the message

> Marc

>

> Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

>

October 12, 2005

Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is sufficient. It is not

necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per Gita. Is it not correct?

A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says that the fruit of the

work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam Tyaktva Maneeshinah).

This means that realized scholars sacrifice the fruit of the work. Gita keeps

sacrifice of the fruit of the work on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala

Tyagah). According to Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money

only (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with which the

man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do the sacrifice of fruit of

work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish ambition for the fruit of the work.

Therefore if the selfish ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be

easily sacrificed.

It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no ambition for the

fruit of the work. In such case you must also enjoy the fruit of your sin in the

hell i.e., cutting of your muscles by knife etc., without any selfish ambition.

Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the work, which alone

can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the fruit of the work. If one says

that he has sacrificed the ambition for the fruit of the work and yet, enjoys

the fruit of work is trying to fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will

fool him in the hell.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

anders_lindman <anders_lindman wrote:

This means that we should drop our attachments to money and also our attachments

to other possessions, such as family members, friends, material possessions,

personal social status and reputation, mental ideas about one's physical body

and so on. Why? Because all of that is merely mental images. The map is not the

territory. And why do you need a map to find yourself?!

SURYA

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

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October 12, 2005

Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

hello,

didn't know that love could be in direct relation with money...in the

mind of a spiritual person

would like to thank Gene for the interesting and detailed answer to

your " dream, only love - Jesus " message

Regards and peace

Marc

>

> dear friend

>

> love is expressed by serving which consists of spending money &

physically doing work. The following throws some more light on this

aspect.

>

> Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the

money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls

sacrifice of money " Karma Phala Tyaga " . In Bhagavatgita it is

said " Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah " which means that devotion is

greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work (money)

is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence and

words. Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of

heart and love. The proof of the love is the practical service,

which is the practical sacrifice of work or money. For the

propagation of the divine knowledge and devotion the money is needed

to publish the gospel in the form of books. When you sacrifice your

money for the divine work your treasure in the heaven is built up.

This means that God will help you after your death and you will enter

the kingdom of God.

>

> You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real

love is on your family only. There is no need of any further

argument on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the

real fire test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words

and valueless mind in leisure, which is valueless time. This cannot

prove the real value of God. You must give real value to God. You

are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time

to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is

approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God.

Therefore you are not giving any value to God for all practical

purpose. But you are telling lies in your prayers that God is

everything for you. The money is the final test and it can be the

only test also since all the family is associated with you for money

only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only.

If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can

> be seen.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

>

> surya

>

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> why should anybody follow Jesus if he/she has no (more) " conflict "

> with all ( " others " )....and so, live in peace and harmony ...?

>

> to solve the " conflict of bonds " ....first it's necessary to know

the reason why this " conflicts exists "

> sure, a serious " seeker " need some " independence " in order to

follow own " inspiration and intiution " ....

> to " see " the Self in oneself

> some leave whole family for this reason.....

> " others " followed Jesus....and still there are many " who " follow

him......in a " formless being "

> does love have a " form " ?

>

> Regards and peace

> thank you for the message

> Marc

>

> Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

>

October 12, 2005

Even if your son is well settled and is the owner of ten self-earned houses, you

are sacrificing your house to your son only even though he is not in need of it.

You are not sacrificing your house to an outsider even though he is in need of

it. Therefore, need is not the criterion. Your sacrifice of your house is a

spontaneous expression of your love towards your son. Similarly, in case of

Satguru or God, the same concept is applied.

The concept of Guru Dakshina comes as sacrifice of the fruit of your work to

Satguru or God. This is the path and actually and this is only the path as said

in Veda ‘Dhanena Tyagenaikena…’. This is a big bomb for all the intellectual

selfish people who tried to misinterpret this text in opposite sense by

inserting the word ‘na’ before the word ‘Dhanena ..’. But, the same concept was

repeatedly stressed in Gita as sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma phala tyaga).

These intellectuals could not misinterpret Gita because the concept was

repeated.

The main point is that the sacrifice of fruit is the real expression or sign of

spontaneous true love. You are sacrificing all your wealth, which is the

accumulated fruit of your work to your children. If you are not a householder or

if you are a poor householder, atleast you will sacrifice the work (Karma

sanyasa). In such case, your work, (a form of energy) is the fruit, (matter)

since matter and energy are inter-convertible forms. Sacrifice of words, mental

feelings and intellectual discussions is not done in the case of your children.

Therefore, you yourself gave the proof of a real love and you yourself cannot

contradict it. You are also sure that your love on your children is true and is

not false. Therefore, I am extending your own concept to God.

Your true love on God can be proved only by the sacrifice of work and fruit of

work. Now, you cannot contradict your own concept and say that sacrifice of

words, mind and intelligence to God is real love. You cannot say that since

children need money, it is given to them and since God does not need money, it

need not be given to God.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote:

Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

hello,

didn't know that love could be in direct relation with money...in the mind of a

spiritual person

would like to thank Gene for the interesting and detailed answer to your " dream,

only love - Jesus " message

Regards and peace

Marc

SURYA

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

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October 12, 2005

Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000>

wrote:

Hello,

if your heart would be filled up with love (God)....then maybe you

could " see " God in ....all in all

how to fill up your heart with love?

in sacrifice of whole of you®...(ego-mind)

but up to you.....

true...some people feel more free if they sacrifice many things (and

money) to...... " whoever " ...

if you feel free to give all to your Guru....do it....

but don't espect everybody should do same

you talk about " selfish intellectuel " people.....

yes....often such people have endless attachments to " money " ...and so

also problems to get detached from it....and so tend to follow people

and theories.....who/which give some help to this detachments....

nobody ever can escape God........

who's home is the heart of everybody

Regards and love

Marc

>

> Even if your son is well settled and is the owner of ten self-

earned houses, you are sacrificing your house to your son only even

though he is not in need of it. You are not sacrificing your house to

an outsider even though he is in need of it. Therefore, need is not

the criterion. Your sacrifice of your house is a spontaneous

expression of your love towards your son. Similarly, in case of

Satguru or God, the same concept is applied.

>

> The concept of Guru Dakshina comes as sacrifice of the fruit of

your work to Satguru or God. This is the path and actually and this

is only the path as said in Veda `Dhanena Tyagenaikena…'. This is a

big bomb for all the intellectual selfish people who tried to

misinterpret this text in opposite sense by inserting the word `na'

before the word `Dhanena ..'. But, the same concept was repeatedly

stressed in Gita as sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma phala tyaga).

These intellectuals could not misinterpret Gita because the concept

was repeated.

>

> The main point is that the sacrifice of fruit is the real

expression or sign of spontaneous true love. You are sacrificing all

your wealth, which is the accumulated fruit of your work to your

children. If you are not a householder or if you are a poor

householder, atleast you will sacrifice the work (Karma sanyasa). In

such case, your work, (a form of energy) is the fruit, (matter) since

matter and energy are inter-convertible forms. Sacrifice of words,

mental feelings and intellectual discussions is not done in the case

of your children. Therefore, you yourself gave the proof of a real

love and you yourself cannot contradict it. You are also sure that

your love on your children is true and is not false. Therefore, I am

extending your own concept to God.

>

> Your true love on God can be proved only by the sacrifice of work

and fruit of work. Now, you cannot contradict your own concept and

say that sacrifice of words, mind and intelligence to God is real

love. You cannot say that since children need money, it is given to

them and since God does not need money, it need not be given to God.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

>

> surya

>

> www.universal-spirituality.org

dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , prakki surya

> wrote:

> >

> hello,

>

> didn't know that love could be in direct relation with money...in

the mind of a spiritual person

>

> would like to thank Gene for the interesting and detailed answer to

your " dream, only love - Jesus " message

>

> Regards and peace

> Marc

>

> SURYA

> surya@u...

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

>

October 12, 2005

Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is sufficient. It

is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per Gita. Is it

not correct?

>

> A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says that the

fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam

Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice the

fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work on

the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According to Veda

sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only (Dhanena

Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with which the man

is more attached. Reason for the inability to do the sacrifice of

fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish ambition for the

fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish ambition is removed, the

fruit of the work can be easily sacrificed.

>

> It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no

ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also enjoy

the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your muscles by

knife etc., without any selfish ambition. Saktuprastha was tested in

the sacrifice of the fruit of the work, which alone can prove the lack

of selfish ambition for the fruit of the work. If one says that he has

sacrificed the ambition for the fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the

fruit of work is trying to fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord

will fool him in the hell.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

>

> surya

>

> www.universal-spirituality.org

Without looking into any scriptures, I would say yes to the idea that

sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is sufficient. The

ambition is part of the map. We don't need to throw away the map. A

map can be useful sometimes. The entire future is nothing but a mental

map. Problems arise when we take the map as being more important than

the territory. Then there is conflict. Can you imagine the relief it

must be to not have to carry that heavy map of the future all the

time! We cannot find God in a map. God is now and only now.

Attachments of any kind, such as ambitions, goals, possessions of

money, material things, personal relationships, social status e t c

are always only a map. We may think that our money is more than a map,

and that our wife, husband or children are more than a map. But they

are not! There are indeed physical reality to your money and your

family, but your ATTACHMENTS to these " things " are only a map. Why do

we need to cling to ANYTHING?

Drop EVERYTHING and taste the real fruits in the living moment. Stop

chewing on a mental MAP!!! :-)

al.

>

> anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote:

> This means that we should drop our attachments to money and also our

attachments to other possessions, such as family members, friends,

material possessions, personal social status and reputation, mental

ideas about one's physical body and so on. Why? Because all of that is

merely mental images. The map is not the territory. And why do you

need a map to find yourself?!

>

> SURYA

> surya@u...

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

>

October 12, 2005

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000>

> wrote:

> >

>

> hello,

>

> didn't know that love could be in direct relation with money...in the

> mind of a spiritual person

>

> would like to thank Gene for the interesting and detailed answer to

> your " dream, only love - Jesus " message

>

> Regards and peace

>

> Marc

Money in itself could be handled with love. It is the DEVOTION to

money that is the problem. Such devotion is only a mental image, a

mental attachment creating insecurity, inflated sense of a mental map,

struggle, defensiveness e t c. Don't drop your money. Drop your

ATTACHMENT to your money. Consciously or subconsciously we carry our

money with us ALL THE TIME (psychologically speaking). That is a

CRAMP!!! A neurosis.

al.

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > love is expressed by serving which consists of spending money &

> physically doing work. The following throws some more light on this

> aspect.

> >

> > Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the

> money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls

> sacrifice of money " Karma Phala Tyaga " . In Bhagavatgita it is

> said " Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah " which means that devotion is

> greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work (money)

> is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence and

> words. Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of

> heart and love. The proof of the love is the practical service,

> which is the practical sacrifice of work or money. For the

> propagation of the divine knowledge and devotion the money is needed

> to publish the gospel in the form of books. When you sacrifice your

> money for the divine work your treasure in the heaven is built up.

> This means that God will help you after your death and you will enter

> the kingdom of God.

> >

> > You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real

> love is on your family only. There is no need of any further

> argument on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the

> real fire test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words

> and valueless mind in leisure, which is valueless time. This cannot

> prove the real value of God. You must give real value to God. You

> are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time

> to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is

> approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God.

> Therefore you are not giving any value to God for all practical

> purpose. But you are telling lies in your prayers that God is

> everything for you. The money is the final test and it can be the

> only test also since all the family is associated with you for money

> only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only.

> If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can

> > be seen.

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> >

> > surya

> >

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> > dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > Namaste,

> >

> > why should anybody follow Jesus if he/she has no (more) " conflict "

> > with all ( " others " )....and so, live in peace and harmony ...?

> >

> > to solve the " conflict of bonds " ....first it's necessary to know

> the reason why this " conflicts exists "

> > sure, a serious " seeker " need some " independence " in order to

> follow own " inspiration and intiution " ....

> > to " see " the Self in oneself

> > some leave whole family for this reason.....

> > " others " followed Jesus....and still there are many " who " follow

> him......in a " formless being "

> > does love have a " form " ?

> >

> > Regards and peace

> > thank you for the message

> > Marc

> >

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October 12, 2005