Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Each human being is the result of billions of years of evolution. >==================== " evolution " is the same fiction, word, as is " creation " -- the only difference is the mind and the education it needs for fancy ego- inflating words like " billions " and " global " , " human " and " brain. " But then I must be very stupid because I'm missing the non-duality of the subject. ============================ > human brain and the body's biological make-up is virtually identical > between people (there is a slight difference between the sexes). > Social and cultural conditioning are somewhat different between > people, but not THAT different. > > Therefore I suspect that how each human being thinks and feels has a > common foundation that does not differ from one person to the next. > The ego mind in each person may on the surface appear to be special, > but it is only the topmost layer of programming that differs between > people. This means that the ego mind is basically identical in each > human being. > > This, in turn, would make it a small step for evolution to go from > human beings having ego minds to human beings having a global mind, or > THINKING TOGETHER as J. Krishnamurti talked about for many years. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Each human being is the result of billions of years of evolution. > >==================== > " evolution " is the same fiction, word, as is " creation " -- the only > difference is the mind and the education it needs for fancy ego- > inflating words like " billions " and " global " , " human " and " brain. " > > But then I must be very stupid because I'm missing the non-duality of > the subject. Some years ago, there was no World Wide Web. It is evolution that created Internet. It is evolution that created cars, trees, birds and human beings. There may not be any ACTUAL past, but the experience of the past is there. The experience of evolution is there. Are you saying that human beings existed 4 billion years ago on this planet? > > ============================ > > human brain and the body's biological make-up is virtually identical > > between people (there is a slight difference between the sexes). > > Social and cultural conditioning are somewhat different between > > people, but not THAT different. > > > > Therefore I suspect that how each human being thinks and feels has a > > common foundation that does not differ from one person to the next. > > The ego mind in each person may on the surface appear to be special, > > but it is only the topmost layer of programming that differs between > > people. This means that the ego mind is basically identical in each > > human being. > > > > This, in turn, would make it a small step for evolution to go from > > human beings having ego minds to human beings having a global mind, > or > > THINKING TOGETHER as J. Krishnamurti talked about for many years. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Each human being is the result of billions of years of evolution. > > >==================== > > " evolution " is the same fiction, word, as is " creation " -- the only > > difference is the mind and the education it needs for fancy ego- > > inflating words like " billions " and " global " , " human " and " brain. " > > > > But then I must be very stupid because I'm missing the non- duality of > > the subject. > > > Some years ago, there was no World Wide Web. It is evolution that > created Internet. It is evolution that created cars, trees, birds and > human beings. There may not be any ACTUAL past, but the experience of > the past is there. The experience of evolution is there. Are you > saying that human beings existed 4 billion years ago on this planet? > Hi al, the " evolution " is relative to what is in (your) mind....now..... maybe it's fantastic that after " 4 billion years " of evolution we can use Internet but is it still " evolution " if some ego-minds get so high degree of degeneration....that they can even no more make the difference between changless and formless Brahman....and Michey Mouse....? in reality.... " evolution " is the same fiction than your identity of body and mind .... Regards Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Each human being is the result of billions of years of > evolution. > > > >==================== > > > " evolution " is the same fiction, word, as is " creation " -- the > only > > > difference is the mind and the education it needs for fancy ego- > > > inflating words like " billions " and " global " , " human " and " brain. " > > > > > > But then I must be very stupid because I'm missing the non- > duality of > > > the subject. > > > > > > Some years ago, there was no World Wide Web. It is evolution that > > created Internet. It is evolution that created cars, trees, birds > and > > human beings. There may not be any ACTUAL past, but the experience > of > > the past is there. The experience of evolution is there. Are you > > saying that human beings existed 4 billion years ago on this planet? > > > > Hi al, > > the " evolution " is relative to what is in (your) mind....now..... > maybe it's fantastic that after " 4 billion years " of evolution we can > use Internet > but is it still " evolution " if some ego-minds get so high degree of > degeneration....that they can even no more make the difference > between changless and formless Brahman....and Michey Mouse....? > > in reality.... " evolution " is the same fiction than your identity of > body and mind .... > > Regards > > Marc > So you mean that you ACTUALLY know yourself as that which is beyond form? al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Each human being is the result of billions of years of > > evolution. > > > > >==================== > > > > " evolution " is the same fiction, word, as is " creation " -- the > > only > > > > difference is the mind and the education it needs for fancy ego- > > > > inflating words like " billions " and " global " , " human " and " brain. " > > > > > > > > But then I must be very stupid because I'm missing the non- > > duality of > > > > the subject. > > > > > > > > > Some years ago, there was no World Wide Web. It is evolution that > > > created Internet. It is evolution that created cars, trees, birds > > and > > > human beings. There may not be any ACTUAL past, but the experience > > of > > > the past is there. The experience of evolution is there. Are you > > > saying that human beings existed 4 billion years ago on this planet? > > > > > > > Hi al, > > > > the " evolution " is relative to what is in (your) mind....now..... > > maybe it's fantastic that after " 4 billion years " of evolution we can > > use Internet > > but is it still " evolution " if some ego-minds get so high degree of > > degeneration....that they can even no more make the difference > > between changless and formless Brahman....and Michey Mouse....? > > > > in reality.... " evolution " is the same fiction than your identity of > > body and mind .... > > > > Regards > > > > Marc > > > > > So you mean that you ACTUALLY know yourself as that which is beyond form? > > al. i'm aware of myself being only a form....in relation to what realy IS...yes I am > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Marc, If I would hold a gun against your head, would you still give the same reply ? Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " > <semmin@e...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Each human being is the result of billions of years of > > > evolution. > > > > > >==================== > > > > > " evolution " is the same fiction, word, as is " creation " -- > the > > > only > > > > > difference is the mind and the education it needs for fancy > ego- > > > > > inflating words like " billions " and " global " , " human " > and " brain. " > > > > > > > > > > But then I must be very stupid because I'm missing the non- > > > duality of > > > > > the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some years ago, there was no World Wide Web. It is evolution > that > > > > created Internet. It is evolution that created cars, trees, > birds > > > and > > > > human beings. There may not be any ACTUAL past, but the > experience > > > of > > > > the past is there. The experience of evolution is there. Are you > > > > saying that human beings existed 4 billion years ago on this > planet? > > > > > > > > > > Hi al, > > > > > > the " evolution " is relative to what is in (your) mind....now..... > > > maybe it's fantastic that after " 4 billion years " of evolution we > can > > > use Internet > > > but is it still " evolution " if some ego-minds get so high degree > of > > > degeneration....that they can even no more make the difference > > > between changless and formless Brahman....and Michey Mouse....? > > > > > > in reality.... " evolution " is the same fiction than your identity > of > > > body and mind .... > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > So you mean that you ACTUALLY know yourself as that which is beyond > form? > > > > al. > > i'm aware of myself being only a form....in relation to what realy > IS...yes > > I am > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Werner, maybe it's better you continue studying the Mickey Mouse books..... > Marc, > > If I would hold a gun against your head, would you still give the > same reply ? > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " > > <semmin@e...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each human being is the result of billions of years of > > > > evolution. > > > > > > >==================== > > > > > > " evolution " is the same fiction, word, as is " creation " -- > > the > > > > only > > > > > > difference is the mind and the education it needs for fancy > > ego- > > > > > > inflating words like " billions " and " global " , " human " > > and " brain. " > > > > > > > > > > > > But then I must be very stupid because I'm missing the non- > > > > duality of > > > > > > the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some years ago, there was no World Wide Web. It is evolution > > that > > > > > created Internet. It is evolution that created cars, trees, > > birds > > > > and > > > > > human beings. There may not be any ACTUAL past, but the > > experience > > > > of > > > > > the past is there. The experience of evolution is there. Are > you > > > > > saying that human beings existed 4 billion years ago on this > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi al, > > > > > > > > the " evolution " is relative to what is in (your) > mind....now..... > > > > maybe it's fantastic that after " 4 billion years " of evolution > we > > can > > > > use Internet > > > > but is it still " evolution " if some ego-minds get so high > degree > > of > > > > degeneration....that they can even no more make the difference > > > > between changless and formless Brahman....and Michey Mouse....? > > > > > > > > in reality.... " evolution " is the same fiction than your > identity > > of > > > > body and mind .... > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you mean that you ACTUALLY know yourself as that which is > beyond > > form? > > > > > > al. > > > > i'm aware of myself being only a form....in relation to what realy > > IS...yes > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Sigh ... What a relief Marc, I hadn't yet to pull the trigger and so you are still alive. Lets start again. I repeat the question of Anders: " So you mean that you ACTUALLY know yourself as that which is beyond form? " And now, without any escaping, what is the real and honest answer ? Watch the gun, man ... Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > Werner, > > maybe it's better you continue studying the Mickey Mouse books..... > > > > Marc, > > > > If I would hold a gun against your head, would you still give the > > same reply ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " > > > <semmin@e...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each human being is the result of billions of years of > > > > > evolution. > > > > > > > >==================== > > > > > > > " evolution " is the same fiction, word, as is " creation " -- > > > > the > > > > > only > > > > > > > difference is the mind and the education it needs for > fancy > > > ego- > > > > > > > inflating words like " billions " and " global " , " human " > > > and " brain. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then I must be very stupid because I'm missing the > non- > > > > > duality of > > > > > > > the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some years ago, there was no World Wide Web. It is > evolution > > > that > > > > > > created Internet. It is evolution that created cars, trees, > > > birds > > > > > and > > > > > > human beings. There may not be any ACTUAL past, but the > > > experience > > > > > of > > > > > > the past is there. The experience of evolution is there. > Are > > you > > > > > > saying that human beings existed 4 billion years ago on > this > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi al, > > > > > > > > > > the " evolution " is relative to what is in (your) > > mind....now..... > > > > > maybe it's fantastic that after " 4 billion years " of > evolution > > we > > > can > > > > > use Internet > > > > > but is it still " evolution " if some ego-minds get so high > > degree > > > of > > > > > degeneration....that they can even no more make the > difference > > > > > between changless and formless Brahman....and Michey > Mouse....? > > > > > > > > > > in reality.... " evolution " is the same fiction than your > > identity > > > of > > > > > body and mind .... > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you mean that you ACTUALLY know yourself as that which is > > beyond > > > form? > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > i'm aware of myself being only a form....in relation to what > realy > > > IS...yes > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Sigh ... > > What a relief Marc, I hadn't yet to pull the trigger and so you are > still alive. > > Lets start again. I repeat the question of Anders: > > " So you mean that you ACTUALLY know yourself as that which is beyond > form? " > > And now, without any escaping, what is the real and honest answer ? > Watch the gun, man ... > > Werner > >ok Gunman! lol i realy don't care about your fantasies....now.....and in the future.... Anders asked me a question....i gave an answer ... i think you should ask yourself same question...... with your gun.........or without....... my Self is indead without form, yes you would have the same answer....from yourself....if you would use your gun.... lol nice dreams Werner....in the world of Mickey Mouse & Co (take care of " other " gunmen around) ciao Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Nice, nice, cowardish Marc, I am quite happy not having had to shoot you, because when reading between your lines I could sense you knew the right answer, which is: Anders: So you mean that you ACTUALLY know yourself as that which is beyond form? Marc: " No, I don't " And so, you still being alive, I will have more fun with you in the next future. Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Sigh ... > > > > What a relief Marc, I hadn't yet to pull the trigger and so you are > > still alive. > > > > Lets start again. I repeat the question of Anders: > > > > " So you mean that you ACTUALLY know yourself as that which is > beyond > > form? " > > > > And now, without any escaping, what is the real and honest > answer ? > > Watch the gun, man ... > > > > Werner > > > > >ok Gunman! > > lol > > i realy don't care about your fantasies....now.....and in the > future.... > Anders asked me a question....i gave an answer ... > > i think you should ask yourself same question...... > with your gun.........or without....... > > > my Self is indead without form, yes > > you would have the same answer....from yourself....if you would use > your gun.... > > lol > > nice dreams Werner....in the world of Mickey Mouse & Co > > (take care of " other " gunmen around) > > ciao Werner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > seem that you miss the right answer.... but, how could an ego-mind ever know about was Is behind form... i realy don't know if there is some hope in your case.... Anders at least.....he " know " something about " behind mind " .... the reason why he is occupied to seek (in himself)... neither you got any result of " seeking " .....or of any deep investigation of the reality of Mickey Mouse.....seem so if you would have same strong attachment to real Self....as you have to the fiction of " Werner " .......you would not need to kill yourself (with this your gun)... please.....i would like to stop here the conversation with you like in the past somewhere........it make no sense ciao again Werner > Nice, nice, cowardish Marc, > > I am quite happy not having had to shoot you, because when reading > between your lines I could sense you knew the right answer, which is: > > Anders: > So you mean that you ACTUALLY know yourself as that which is beyond > form? > > Marc: > " No, I don't " > > And so, you still being alive, I will have more fun with you in the > next future. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Sigh ... > > > > > > What a relief Marc, I hadn't yet to pull the trigger and so you > are > > > still alive. > > > > > > Lets start again. I repeat the question of Anders: > > > > > > " So you mean that you ACTUALLY know yourself as that which is > > beyond > > > form? " > > > > > > And now, without any escaping, what is the real and honest > > answer ? > > > Watch the gun, man ... > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > >ok Gunman! > > > > lol > > > > i realy don't care about your fantasies....now.....and in the > > future.... > > Anders asked me a question....i gave an answer ... > > > > i think you should ask yourself same question...... > > with your gun.........or without....... > > > > > > my Self is indead without form, yes > > > > you would have the same answer....from yourself....if you would use > > your gun.... > > > > lol > > > > nice dreams Werner....in the world of Mickey Mouse & Co > > > > (take care of " other " gunmen around) > > > > ciao Werner > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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