the SELF personified - proof

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...>

wrote:

> >

> > Compared to ME Jesus, Buddha and Ramana were ego maniacs.

> > And that is fact

> > because there is no other but ME.

> >

> >

> >

> > realization --

> >

> > There is no realization nor choice because they are both

thoughts,

> > fiction.

> >

> > But if there was such a thing as realization and choice then it

would

> > perhaps best apply to the serial killer on death row – who wants

to die

> > to end his role.

> >

>

>

> " My " idea is that there is only consciousness and that physical

> reality is only a " movie " without any independent existence. This

> means that there are no other people. Your own body, George W. Bush

> and Ramana are just " images " . Not even images, they have no

substance

> whatsover other than as pure information. The universe and all other

> possible universes are just a " virtual " reality in the One Mind.

This

> means that we were never born, and we have no mother or father. We

do

> not even have a body. It's all Maya! So when people ask: " what

> happened to Abraham Lincoln after he died? Did he reincarnate, or

did

> he just cease to exist? " Then the anwer is: There are no people

asking

> the question, and there never was any Abraham Lincoln. There is ONLY

> the One Mind.

>

> You may say: " My wife/husband and my children, surely they exist "

The

> answer is possibly: no they do not exist. There is only the One

Mind,

> and everything " physical " is just a movie being played in that mind.

> There is only ONE movie. There are SEEMINGLY separate characters in

> the movie, such as your own body and other people, but it's all

only a

> movie and there are no real separate individuals with separate minds

> or bodies. So no one is ever born or ever dies, because simply there

> are no humans! There is only the One Mind. When you say, do or think

> something, then that is only the movie. No one did write this post,

it

> simply appeared as a part of the One Movie. You can reply to this

> post, but that too is only a part of the One Movie.

>

> To take another example: the computer monitor in front of you

doesn't

> exist. It has never been manufactured by any humans; it simply exist

> as a part of the One Movie, which includes the seemingly

manufacturing

> " in the past " of the computer monitor in a seemingly separate

factory

> by seemingly real humans.

>

> This may only be a false idea of what reality is, but can you prove

> that it is false?

>

> al.

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dearest Al –

Your words echo Consciousness.

 

It makes no difference to Consciousness if " LIFE " is inside a dream,

or a computer, or just the hallucinations of drugs, or hypnosis…

or ??.

 

No matter how real life gets with its horrors and tragedies – to

Consciousness it is the same: fiction. To Consciousness all fiction

is the same regardless of the arena this fiction is playing: be it a

dream, computer, a movie or TV… to consciousness all these fictions

are the mind. The Joy/indifference to this fiction is Consciousness.

 

=-=

as for the proof:

Words are meaningless because the mind will filter their meaning for

what it is/needs.

Physics appeared " real " until Einstein accepted that light had no

time. This made time/physics unreal. Einstein never got the message

and thus we have modern physics and all the absurdities it needs to

APPEAR real.

Physics quantum-gaps prove beyond doubt that all fictions work the

same to be the same Consciousness's fiction, nothing. Thoughts are

just fiction.

 

If you want to wake up to what is false then learn how thoughts

cannot work, any more than physics' light cannot travel because it

has no time to travel.

 

There is no thinking only thoughts.

 

If you meditate then it will become very obvious that thoughts are

disconnected, they are also totally-unpredictable (echo Physics'

Uncertainty Principle) and thus there can be no thinking.

 

Until `you' ACCEPT that thoughts are unpredictable and disconnected -

- and thus cannot work to do anything -- life and everything in it

is an exercise in futility called karma, chaos.

Once " you " accept that there is no such thing as thinking, because it

is just a thought, then life becomes/is a JOY that is a dream that

YOU – CONSCIOUSNESS -- ARE/hallucinate.

JUST like in a dream: no matter how real it, life, APPEARS -- the

mind is the dream-hallucination.

 

All this might take a few years of digesting to digest … but when it

finally gets sort of defecated it will blow the mind to echo Buddha.

 

-- just some words the mind will filter for what it is.