Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Then it is believed that once the body expires, there is no continuance of consciousness? This is not the expected belief system in a forum named " Nisargadatta " , but I have no quarrel with it. Phil In a message dated 10/19/2005 2:21:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: If you like it or not and if it doesn't fit in your romantic spiritual ideas about consciousness, but neurology already since longer knows where the conscious part of the brain are. If those parts of the brain are damaged then you are blind or don't hear or smell etc. And then no onger objects are arising in consciousness, included teddy bears. Werner Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > I know most of you don't like to hear about the brain, > you like to sleep with immaterial teddy bears like > Consciousness, or Mind. It's OK! Those are nice, like > music is sort of immaterial, ethereal, nice, but let's not > forget that it comes from a guitar. > > > The implication being that consciousness comes from brain? This is not one > of my teddy bears. All things, including brain, arise within consciousness. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 My perspective is that no perspective is privileged. Sometimes perspectives seek to establish their own superiority. We can forgive them this, for they know not what they do!!! --Greg ~~~~~ as good a perspective as any. perhaps 'don't know' bu zhi ... might be something to consider. something a friend just sent which seems apropos. [in 'daospeak'] ... -ts- ~~~ The surrender of cognitive engineering and dominance " When we analyze, we neglect that which cannot be analyzed…. When we analyze, there is something left unrealized. " Zhuangzi I am suspicious that the attempt to obtain a spiritual diagnosis and to cognitively engineer a remedy for any form of dukkha (unsatisfactoryness) is generally a vain application of effort (wei). Engaging in such analytic activity would deceptively suggest that it is something other than the root (bun) spiritual dynamic that needs to be cultivated and corrected. The essential spiritual root to be cultivated consists of a particular psycho-visceral disposition: This mystical mind-body disposition spontaneously (zi ran) generates an exquisite ability to be present to the moment, and it is this thoughtless immediacy of awareness which effortlessly causes spiritual furthering (li). From the Yi Jing: " Zhong zheng " = " Heart-centered presence generates optimalization (spontaneously). " To cultivate the root, this body-mind disposition and the spontaneous generation of immediate presence, requires surrender: the cognitive functions must surrender their strong tendency to dominate consciousness; they must be subordinated to the ineffable power of undifferentiated unity. As the Neo-Confucians have it: " make unity* the ruler. " *undifferentiated presence Marguerite Porete says that the surrender of cognitive power allows the soul to flourish " without a why. " The inherent danger of using cognitive power ( " why-ing " ) to resolve dukkha is that cognitive processes (bian) then tend to take over and rule consciousness; that insidious takeover is the primary cause for the loss of mind-body centering and the ensuing dukkha. After note: In my case, on my path, I believe that functionality and dysfunctionality are nearly entirely caused, respectively, by presence and lack of presence. For me, the process of performing a cognitive analysis of my dysfunctionality usually causes less presence, and thus more dysfunctionality. ~ Raymond -ts- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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